[SprCForr]

commanderkai commanderkai:

I won't quote you SprCForr, because that is a book (and a great read too) but when I said don't get involved with parents, I meant the parents of the bully. That would just cause problems, and yeah, the administrations of schools are usually filled with PC cowards, but I find, in my personal experience, that teachers are much less PC, at least after scratching the surface.

Anyway, your daughter is blessed to have a good father like yourself, and hopefully things keep going well for you.

Everything is going along fine now, thanks. Although I'm currently at the "asshole" level again.

I agree with you, getting the staff up to speed is key. It was the no tolerance policy that gave them the teeth and it's hard enforcement by the administration that has prevented it from being whittled down. It was fought tooth and nail because of the by bystander portions (spectators are subject to action because it encourages the conduct), the bully getting disrupted and being displaced, but it's been in place for a while now and the benefits are starting to be reaped.

Back to that knowledge/information gathering. The other thing we learned about was "hiding by transfer". It's the easy way to get rid of the problem or to hide conduct. Our school doesn't do it (they sort of did prior to the no tolerance policy) but I learned that if there is a potential for any physical danger identified (in conjunction with the police) then the school or district shall not transfer nor will a different school or seperate school accept the bully. It sort of forces the hand of those who (for whatever reason) don't want to deal with the problem. Keep an eye out for that if you ever have to deal with this as a parent. Check those school board regulations out.

We're lucky in that we have an excellent principal and great staff, I readily admit that. The result was going to be the same, but we got there quicker because of them and their help.

[SprCForr]

lily lily:

So you know, I would have repped your book too - but I have to spread it around first. I'm hoping others will though hint hint SprCForr.

I've been remiss in my duties. It has been corrected.

[BartSimpson]

Yogi Yogi:

Of course retaliation is risky. That is why speed & severity are of utmost importance.
One must learn not to be afraid of a bit of pain. That's Gods way of telling you " You're still alive. Keep fighting"!
Physical injuries heal. Emotional injuries rarely ever do!

Exactly. Responding to a thug with sudden, overwhelming, and utterly disproportionate force is the single most effective way to neuter these vermin.

This is why I am an advocate of military krav maga classes for kids who are victims of bullying.

#1 it bucks up their self-confidence and bullies don't like to attack confident people because it scares them and, deep down, bullies are just sadistic cowards.

#2 the kids learn how to apply devastating force to an opponent and the opponents quickly learn to move on to another victim.

Failing that, a visit to the bullies' parents is sometimes in order.

[BartSimpson]

poquas poquas:

Beating up the bully will result in a worse result 99% of the time.

Not beating up the son of a bitch will result in a worse result for the victim 100% of the time.

I say surprise attack the bastard, get him/her on the ground and then proceed to kick the living sh*t out of them. And get in some good kidney kicks to make the bastard pee blood.

And I personally don't give a damn about the emotional well-being of a thug.

[xerxes]

And in case there are those who are unfamiliar with Krav Maga: here's an entertaining demonstation:

[BartSimpson]

Thanks for posting the video - I can't see it at work, but I'm sure it's pretty good. Do note that krav maga and *military* krav maga differ a bit.

The typical krav maga instructor tends to leave out the devastating and no BS military moves that can instantly incapacitate, maim, or kill an assailant.

When a person is fully trained in the discipline and they KNOW that any assailant, of any size, is no threat to them then this changes their worldview and their confidence level is increased considerably. Because the person emanates a higher level of confidence in threatening situations it actually tends to defuse those situations.

It is paradoxical, but the person who is fully trained in krav maga is less likely to ever need to use those skills.

[xerxes]

Interesting...

And you can't get YouTube at work? How are you supposed to goof off?

[BartSimpson]

xerxes xerxes:

Interesting...

And you can't get YouTube at work? How are you supposed to goof off?

Don't tell anyone, but I can get to break.com, liveleak, hulu, and a lot more sites - the jerks who run the web filter (who can read this post, but I already gave notice I'm leaving this job, so I don't really care!) aren't the sharpest tools in the shed.

And what's crazy is that so much business-related material is now posted on You Tube so the whole web filter thing is ultimately counter-productive.

[Yogi]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Yogi Yogi:

Of course retaliation is risky. That is why speed & severity are of utmost importance.
One must learn not to be afraid of a bit of pain. That's Gods way of telling you " You're still alive. Keep fighting"!
Physical injuries heal. Emotional injuries rarely ever do!

Exactly. Responding to a thug with sudden, overwhelming, and utterly disproportionate force is the single most effective way to neuter these vermin.

This is why I am an advocate of military krav maga classes for kids who are victims of bullying.

#1 it bucks up their self-confidence and bullies don't like to attack confident people because it scares them and, deep down, bullies are just sadistic cowards.

#2 the kids learn how to apply devastating force to an opponent and the opponents quickly learn to move on to another victim.

Failing that, a visit to the bullies' parents is sometimes in order.

My POV comes from personal experience at a very young age. At the time, I was in gr. 2. Cathy henderson was in gr 4. I was very small for my age. Cathy was very large for her age. To this day I have never figured out why, but she took great pleasure in 'beating the shit out of me'! I told my teacher about it on several occasions. My teachers response was "stay away from her". Cathy wouldn't let this happen. Every recess was a repeat performance. One day I had enough! Next recess I hid behind a door which I could see when she would be coming down the hallway. I saw her. I also saw that she was being followed about 10 ft behind by my teacher. The one I had complained to on numerous occassions!
I made the decision! I crouched down and as soon as Cathy passed by, I bolted out, slid down on the floor, knocked her legs out from under, and I was on her, slamming her head into the tile floor screaming " LEAVE ME ALONE, LEAVE ME ALONE..." !
The ironic twist to this was that the teacher whom I had gone to for help ended up having to protect the bully from me! My message got thru 'loud and clear'. Cathy stayed well away from me after that!

Like I said 'pysical injuries heal. Emotional injuries rarely ever do'!

This incident happened in 1963, but I remember it as though it was yesterday!