[fifeboy]

westmanguy westmanguy:

This is an uncomfortable situation for the party.

I'm not happy we're spending so much money, but I do realize we have little choice. We have international obligations to the IMF to spend $$ on a stimulus package, and I'm thankful the money is being spent on tax cuts, tax credits, and infrastructure rather then new government social programs.

Yeah,wouldn't want any of that cash going to help people, eh! Best let the rich buy big screen t.v.'s.

[RUEZ]

Proculation Proculation:

I'm one of those tories.
Harper is becoming a closet socialist. I am VERY disappointed...

The alternative is he could have kept going the way he was and then we would have had a real socialist in government when the coalition took over.

[fifeboy]

uwish uwish:

I fully admit I am not fan of this budget. It is a result of the coalition's demands for spending and economic stimulus.

Coalition? There is no coalition.

[RUEZ]

fifeboy fifeboy:

uwish uwish:

I fully admit I am not fan of this budget. It is a result of the coalition's demands for spending and economic stimulus.

Coalition? There is no coalition.

A signed document proves otherwise.

[Proculation]

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

wall of text. can you summarise?

25 billion $ are already spent and 50 billion $ will be spent before the end of march.

All real cash. By the end of march, the debt of Canada will increase by 14% just because of that. And that money is not used to help the banks. It is used to help them buy shares in american banks. So the government is giving money to the banks so they can be more rich.

[fifeboy]

RUEZ RUEZ:

fifeboy fifeboy:

uwish uwish:

I fully admit I am not fan of this budget. It is a result of the coalition's demands for spending and economic stimulus.

Coalition? There is no coalition.

A signed document proves otherwise.

There are also signed documents showing that the United States of America declared war against Imperial Japan. However, that war no longer exists!

[RUEZ]

fifeboy fifeboy:

Tere are also signed documents showing that the United States of America declared war against Imperial Japan. However, that war no longer exists!

We all know when the coalition ceased to exist. Right after the budget was accepted by Iggy.

[fifeboy]

RUEZ RUEZ:

fifeboy fifeboy:

Tere are also signed documents showing that the United States of America declared war against Imperial Japan. However, that war no longer exists!

We all know when the coalition ceased to exist. Right after the budget was accepted by Iggy.

And therefore, my comment:

$1:

Coalition? There is no coalition.

[RUEZ]

fifeboy fifeboy:

RUEZ RUEZ:

fifeboy fifeboy:

Tere are also signed documents showing that the United States of America declared war against Imperial Japan. However, that war no longer exists!

We all know when the coalition ceased to exist. Right after the budget was accepted by Iggy.

And therefore, my comment:

$1:

Coalition? There is no coalition.

The original comment you quoted:

$1:

It is a result of the coalition's demands for spending and economic stimulus.

You commented there was no coalition however when this budget was brought down there was, which means his comment is correct.

[fifeboy]

RUEZ RUEZ:

You commented there was no coalition however when this budget was brought down there was, which means his comment is correct.

Dion resigned on 8 Dec. That appears to be the death of the coalition. Were there not budget consultations after that. If Harper back peddled as much as he did because of the coalition, he is afraid of ghosts.

[RUEZ]

fifeboy fifeboy:

RUEZ RUEZ:

You commented there was no coalition however when this budget was brought down there was, which means his comment is correct.

Dion resigned on 8 Dec. That appears to be the death of the coalition. Were there not budget consultations after that. If Harper back peddled as much as he did because of the coalition, he is afraid of ghosts.

Ok whatev.

[Bibbi]

fifeboy fifeboy:

RUEZ RUEZ:

You commented there was no coalition however when this budget was brought down there was, which means his comment is correct.

Dion resigned on 8 Dec. That appears to be the death of the coalition. Were there not budget consultations after that. If Harper back peddled as much as he did because of the coalition, he is afraid of ghosts.

I am sure that Harper did not consider that he backpeddled at all. He was already deficit spending since the surplus was gone. He did two things at once. He crafted a budget that would probably appeal to a centre politician like Ignatieff and he did so successfully, and if Ignatieff had voted it down then the goodies therein made it a great election budget.

At the same time the Conservative ideology was also buried in the budget. Tax cuts were there despite the fact that only 20 cents of every dollar in tax cuts actually stimulates the economy according to a US study. Other apparent but not real expenditures were made. EI was extended by 5 weeks, but that does not help the majority who paid into it, but do not qualify for it. Moreover the time period for EI depends on where you live. The tax free savings account means nothing in terms of government cost or taxpayer benefit, if the interest rate is close to zero and fund investments are going down. The 15% home renovation credit is really only 2% after GST and PST and of course if you have to sell your home in the next few years you may lose more than you gain through renovations despite the great 2% savings.

And if infrastructure spending is not matched by the province and the municipality, then those funds will not get spent either. How are cash strapped municipalities going to find money to match federal expenditures?

So despite the spin, the G20 will spend 2% of their GNP. Canada will commit an estimated 1.3% and possibly actually spend a heck of a lot less on budget items and perhaps give away the rest to banks in the name of improving credit. The banks in turn will do the same as in the US and give their directors bigger bonuses for their incompetence.

[Proculation]

Found that:

[RUEZ]

On the road to recovery? Nice try. We are far from it.

[Bibbi]

Proculation Proculation:

Found that:

Government intervention in the economy is not the problem per se, but more the case that the government does NOT know HOW to intervene in the economy efficiently, effectively, and successfully.