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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:36 am
 


Scape Scape:
No one asked him to murder a medic in the name of Canada. Fuck him.



:? That's surprising unenlightened coming from you Scape. He's a Canadian kid brainwashed into war and he killed a medic in combat.

No one asked the thousands of Americans who flocked to Canada in WWI to join us to fight the Germans.

No one asked the Americans who joined the Canadian Military in WWII in 1939 and no one asked the Canadians to join the US Army to fight in Vietnam or Iraq.

I'm curious of your opinion on what is the fundemental difference.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:59 am
 


TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:
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Just because he is Canadian does not mean that he must be punished in Canada for crimes on foreign soil. That's just an ignorant comment, assuming that er have extradition agreements with all other countries.

He will be coming back. It is not an ignorant comment, we take everyone back, Canadian citizenship and all remember that.

The point I am trying to make is what will Canada do with him once he is here?....he will be more pissed and siding with his family and on our streets. We all know the system here does not work...and as someone has previously said he has done his time...murderers in Canada get less.



We actually have extradition treaties with few countries.

For example.. China
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Huseyin Celil is a Chinese-Canadian was arrested in 2005 and is still imprisoned in China. Celil has Canadian citizenship, which China has refused to recognize. Consular officials and his Canadian lawyer have not been permitted to meet him and his wife Kamila Telendibaeva hasn't seen him in almost a year.


Vietnam:
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Randy Sachs stayed in the Ho Chi Minh prison for 18 months as Vietnamese
authorities investigated allegations he had been involved in a scheme to import
1,000 tablets of ecstasy from Europe. At one point, it appeared he and another
Canadian co-accused, Nguyen Van Hai, 41, might face execution for the crime.

They escaped the firing squad, but last year were convicted for trafficking.
Mr. Sachs was sentenced to 16 years in prison and Mr. Nguyen 15 years. As
Vietnam has neither a parole system nor a prisoner-exchange treaty with Canada,
he will likely remain in a Vietnamese prison for the full sentence.
After his arrest in 2003

In September 2003, Mr. Sachs was joined in the prison by another Canadian,
Samuel Dong Sung Kim, a Vancouver man who had been charged with swindling
students out of tuition fees at an English school he ran in Ho Chi Minh.



The guy in China sounds like a political prisoner to me and should be freed but these others in Vietnam are drug dealers and swindlers and deserve what they get.

Obviously, we don't take everyone back.

Omar has been held in prison longer than he would if he were in Canada so I'd say his sentence is paid off.
What happens now really depends on him though. He was a young kid at the time and Uncle Sam and the guards have been more of a dad to him than anyone else. If he wants to return to his family and their doctrine of hate, I'd put a restraining order against that and witness protect him to the other end of the country. I'd get him into special program of rehabilitation and turn him into a successful ex-jihad, ex-Muslim and use him as a poster boy to show how the terrorists failed.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:02 am
 


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he has been imprisoned without due process which is every Canadians constitutional right


Sorry, Canadian constitutional rights only apply in Canada. His crime wasn't committed in Canada, nor is he incarcerated in Canada.


He still had rights under the Geneva Conventions however.


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Within a few years he'll be free and will have successfully sued the Canadian government for millions.


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ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
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he has been imprisoned without due process which is every Canadians constitutional right


Sorry, Canadian constitutional rights only apply in Canada. His crime wasn't committed in Canada, nor is he incarcerated in Canada.


He still had rights under the Geneva Conventions however.


Really, what Army does he fight for ?


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Geneva Conventions - Additional Protocols, 1977

Protocol I - International Armed Conflicts

Article 77 Protection of Children....

77.2. The Parties to the conflict shall take all feasible measures in order that children who have not attained the age of fifteen years do not take a direct part in hostilities and, in particular, they shall refrain from recruiting them into their armed forces. In recruiting among those persons who have attained the age of fifteen years but who have not attained the age of eighteen years the Parties to the conflict shall endeavour to give priority to those who are oldest.

77.3. If, in exceptional cases, despite the provisions of paragraph 2, children who have not attained the age of fifteen years take a direct part in hostilities and fall into the power of an adverse Party, they shall continue to benefit from the special protection accorded by this Article, whether or not they are prisoners of war.

Protocol II - Non-International Armed Conflicts

Article 4

4. 3 (c) children who have not attained the age of fifteen years shall neither be recruited in the armed forces or groups nor allowed to take part in hostilities;

(d) the special protection provided by this Article to children who have not attained the age of fifteen years shall remain applicable to them if they take a direct part in hostilities despite the provisions of subparagraph (c) and are captured;

(e) measures shall be taken, if necessary, and whenever possible with the consent of their parents or persons who by law or custom are primarily responsible for their care, to remove children temporarily from the area in which hostilities are taking place to a safer area within the country and ensure that they are accompanied by persons responsible for their safety and well-being.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 2:13 pm
 


ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
Our diplomats can only request that he be turned over to them, while the arresting power has the right to refuse to.


Yes it would nice if our diplomats hade have requested that a Canadian child not be tortured and have a right to habeus corpus. Every other civilized country on the planet was making such requests.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 2:14 pm
 


Scape Scape:
No one asked him to murder a medic in the name of Canada. Fuck him.


Thta is the point of war--to kill the enmy. Were you unclear on that?


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Where's the part if they kill a medic while not really being part of a army or group ?

Hrmm not there, I guess he's dosen't fit into your utopia.

He broke the rules so they don't apply to the little shit. The marines should have put a bullet in his head right on the spot.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 2:29 pm
 


hwacker hwacker:
Where's the part if they kill a medic while not really being part of a army or group ?

Hrmm not there, I guess he's dosen't fit into your utopia.

He broke the rules so they don't apply to the little shit. The marines should have put a bullet in his head right on the spot.


Isn't summary execution breaking the rules also?


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 2:33 pm
 


Zipperfish Zipperfish:
hwacker hwacker:
Where's the part if they kill a medic while not really being part of a army or group ?

Hrmm not there, I guess he's dosen't fit into your utopia.

He broke the rules so they don't apply to the little shit. The marines should have put a bullet in his head right on the spot.


Isn't summary execution breaking the rules also?


Na, the gun just went off. shit happens.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 2:35 pm
 


Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Scape Scape:
No one asked him to murder a medic in the name of Canada. Fuck him.


Thta is the point of war--to kill the enmy. Were you unclear on that?


When was Canada at was with the USA ?

WTF was a Canadian doing there ?

I think he's on his own, Canada owes him nothing.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 2:42 pm
 


hwacker hwacker:
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
hwacker hwacker:
Where's the part if they kill a medic while not really being part of a army or group ?

Hrmm not there, I guess he's dosen't fit into your utopia.

He broke the rules so they don't apply to the little shit. The marines should have put a bullet in his head right on the spot.


Isn't summary execution breaking the rules also?


Na, the gun just went off. shit happens.


Well, your logic hardly makes sense. Breaking the rules calls for summary execution, but summary execuation is breaking the rules.

You want the kid dead. Just say so. No need to try to dress up naked hate in the disguise of logic.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 2:49 pm
 


Zipperfish Zipperfish:

You want the kid dead. Just say so. No need to try to dress up naked hate in the disguise of logic.


I wouldn't lose one minute sleep if the whole family disappeared.


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Just dont do it before they are born eh hwacker, just throwing it out there. 8)


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