[Brenda]

InternetChatter InternetChatter:

Brenda Brenda:

InternetChatter InternetChatter:

http://www.amazon.com/Chasing-Mirage-Tragic-lllusion-Islamic/dp/0470841168

Tarek Fatah is a friend of a number of my friends. He is the bright light in Canada's Muslim community, a proud Canadian, a Liberal, and the premier anti Islamist activist in Canada.

Ohhhh, a friend of a friends nephews sister in law!



Quit bragging, you're making a fool outta yourself.

Brenda, if you think being a friendof a number of people who are friends of a social issues writer is bragging, you need to get out more.

What else would you call it?

The mentioning of you being friends with "lots" of friends of people who are friends with whoever, with no relation to the topic at hand, is bragging.

[Terence]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

So, you agree that a larger population is more likely to have a larger number of homicides per capita. Still think it wasn't a swipe at Alberta?

Actually you are very wrong.... Ontario and Quebec have the lowest rate of Violent Crime and Murder in Canada per capita.

$1:

Crime rates by province and territory
Violent crime Property crime Total Criminal Code offences1
2004 2003 to 2004 2004 2003 to 2004 2004 2003 to 2004
rate* % change in rate rate* % change in rate rate* % change in rate
Canada 946 -2.0 3,991 -3.2 8,051 -1.2
Newfoundland and Labrador 917 -2.5 2,738 4.6 6,320 1.1
Prince Edward Island 799 -12.0 3,505 -3.3 8,220 -5.5
Nova Scotia 1,190 -1.0 3,894 6.5 8,764 1.7
New Brunswick 937 -5.1 3,003 -1.2 7,313 2.9
Quebec 726 0.0 3,202 -3.1 6,493 0.1
Ontario 755 -3.2 3,013 -5.9 5,702 -5.1
Manitoba2 1,602 -1.7 5,699 1.9 12,753 1.5
Saskatchewan 2,006 -2.6 6,238 -5.7 15,159 -1.9
Alberta 1,087 -1.3 5,064 -1.3 10,390 0.7
British Columbia 1,195 -1.5 6,763 -2.9 12,522 0.2
Yukon 3,236 -16.5 6,341 -16.3 23,125 -12.8
Northwest Territories 6,865 1.7 7,414 2.5 42,126 11.7
Nunavut 7,884 -1.9 6,959 -4.4 36,685 4.4
* Rates are based on criminal incidents per 100,000 population.
1. Total Criminal Code offences also include other Criminal Code offences (excluding traffic) not shown in this table.
2. Crime data from April to December 2004 for Winnipeg are estimates (except for homicide and motor vehicle theft) due to the implementation of a new records management system.

[Yogi]

[quote="InternetChatter"][quote]"

White people kill far more per capita than brown people.

In, and of itself, this is an irrelavent statement. Not in Africa or Guyana or the Sudan, ad infinitum!

Of course in Canada, more white people kill per capita than do any other ethnics. There are more 'whites' than not here!

To the topic though, show us the stats on 'Born Canadians committing honor killings'!

[DrCaleb]

InternetChatter InternetChatter:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

So, you agree that a larger population is more likely to have a larger number of homicides per capita. Still think it wasn't a swipe at Alberta?

Actually you are very wrong.... Ontario and Quebec have the lowest rate of Violent Crime and Murder in Canada per capita.

$1:

Crime rates by province and territory
Violent crime Property crime Total Criminal Code offences1
2004 2003 to 2004 2004 2003 to 2004 2004 2003 to 2004
rate* % change in rate rate* % change in rate rate* % change in rate
Canada 946 -2.0 3,991 -3.2 8,051 -1.2
Newfoundland and Labrador 917 -2.5 2,738 4.6 6,320 1.1
Prince Edward Island 799 -12.0 3,505 -3.3 8,220 -5.5
Nova Scotia 1,190 -1.0 3,894 6.5 8,764 1.7
New Brunswick 937 -5.1 3,003 -1.2 7,313 2.9
Quebec 726 0.0 3,202 -3.1 6,493 0.1
Ontario 755 -3.2 3,013 -5.9 5,702 -5.1
Manitoba2 1,602 -1.7 5,699 1.9 12,753 1.5
Saskatchewan 2,006 -2.6 6,238 -5.7 15,159 -1.9
Alberta 1,087 -1.3 5,064 -1.3 10,390 0.7
British Columbia 1,195 -1.5 6,763 -2.9 12,522 0.2
Yukon 3,236 -16.5 6,341 -16.3 23,125 -12.8
Northwest Territories 6,865 1.7 7,414 2.5 42,126 11.7
Nunavut 7,884 -1.9 6,959 -4.4 36,685 4.4
* Rates are based on criminal incidents per 100,000 population.
1. Total Criminal Code offences also include other Criminal Code offences (excluding traffic) not shown in this table.
2. Crime data from April to December 2004 for Winnipeg are estimates (except for homicide and motor vehicle theft) due to the implementation of a new records management system.

Wow, Nunavut 7,884; Yukon 3,236. You know that there are less than 30,000 people there right? So that is like, 7 murders. All depends on the statistics you are {mis}quoting.

And, my link was to convictions to eliminate the skewing from gang related activity and highlight the spousal aspect.

How many of those were Honour Killings?

[Terence]

Province/Population as of January 1st 2008/Murders in 2007
Ontario 12,891,787 murders-201
Quebec 7,744,530 murders-90
Alberta 3,512,368 murders-88

Alberta had double the per capita rate of murders than Quebec and substantially more than Ontario.



According to Statscan in 2004 (last numbers I can find)
Violent crimes in Provinces
Ontario 755/100,000 residents
Quebec 726/100,000 residents
Alberta 1087/100,000 residents

[Terence]

Yogi Yogi:

InternetChatter InternetChatter:

$1:

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To the topic though, show us the stats on 'Born Canadians committing honor killings'!

Don't think they break it down that thin.

I do vaguely remember a Canadian born son, helping kill his sister in Brampton or Mississauga a while back for dishonour.

What do do with him? He was born here.

I would rather have life mean life, and lock every stain on Canada up until they die for any premeditated murder.

[Terence]

Yogi Yogi:

Of course in Canada, more white people kill per capita than do any other ethnics. There are more 'whites' than not here!

per capita = per head.

[Yogi]

InternetChatter InternetChatter:

To the topic though, show us the stats on 'Born Canadians committing honor killings'!

[/quote][/quote]

Don't think they break it down that thin.

I do vaguely remember a Canadian born son, helping kill his sister in Brampton or Mississauga a while back for dishonour.

What do do with him? He was born here.

I would rather have life mean life, and lock every stain on Canada up until they die for any premeditated murder.


[/quote]

Exactly! 'Honor killing' is not recognized as a defense strategy in Canada or involving Canadians. The govt persues those involved in so-called honor killings carried out on Canadian soil or involving Canadians killed elsewhere. The perpetrators are charged with 1st degree murder, as they should be.

As to harsh penalties for all who committ crimes in Canada, you have never met anyone as 'pro death penalty' as I !

[Terence]

I am against the death penalty, except in acts of war, or acts of terrorism against the state.

Too many innocent or questionable cases in the past.

Look at the cops setting up Guy Paul Morin for child rape and murder. They planted DNA evidence. If there was a death penalty he would have fit the criteria in every way.

But violent criminals should end up getting far harsher sentences, and no parole. Life should be life.

[DrCaleb]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

InternetChatter InternetChatter:

I am willing to bet more white Alberta men have killed their wives in any given year than all the honour killings in Sikh and Muslim populations in all of Canada in any given year.

I'll take that bet. Do you have any statistics, or was that just another chance to bash us "Rednecks"?

InternetChatter InternetChatter:

Don't think they break it down that thin.

I do vaguely remember a Canadian born son, helping kill his sister in Brampton or Mississauga a while back for dishonour.

*Ding!* *Ding!* We have a winner!

As payment for our bet, I want you to add "62.375% of my facts are made up on the spot." to your signature.

[Terence]

He was talking specifically about Canadian born, which isn't what I was talking about or you. Apples and Oranges.

I have been up 36 hours now putting up new servers... I'm going to sleep.

All the stats on Quebec/Ontario being far less violent than Alberta per capita came from stats Canada.

[ridenrain]

We can't deport people unless we can prove theyhad something to do with the crime.
In many cases, we can't deport these people because most of them are already Canadian citizens.

[DrCaleb]

InternetChatter InternetChatter:

All the stats on Quebec/Ontario being far less violent than Alberta per capita came from stats Canada.

When you wake up, re-read your posts. Violence has nothing to do with it. You now see that statistics on Honour killings and Spousal Murder are not kept, therefore your claim that there are more Rednecks killing their wives than Muslims killing their daughters and sisters is nothing but heresay.

[Choban]

Honour, What Honour is there in killing someone? This isn't the middle ages.

[Pimpbrewski]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

You now see that statistics on Honour killings and Spousal Murder are not kept, therefore your claim that there are more Rednecks killing their wives than Muslims killing their daughters and sisters is nothing but heresay.

Rednecks are a good and friendly people.

Surely, It could never be in them to commit murder.