[travior]

Personally, I do not give a rip one way or the other about whether or not her daughter is pregnant. You could be the best parent that ever lived and you would still not be guaranteed that your child will live their entire life without screwing up. Everyone makes mistakes. The difference is how the child handles their mistake. That is the reflection on how they were raised.

She did not abort the pregnancy. She took responsibility for her actions. She is going to have the child and not give it away. Yes, she might need financial assistance from her parents for a while. So what? I made $81k last year. I needed help a few months back. Does that make me a bad parent?

They say that the mother and father of the child are going to get married and take responsibility. I know that some of these relationships do not work long term, but I know a few that have gotten married that young and are still doing fine. It is not up to us to judge the intentions or decisions of this girl.

I have a good friend that is a single mother of two children. She had her first child and put her self through college at the same time. She has done quite well for herself professionally and financially. Having a child at 17 is not the end of the world. It is a modern way of thinking that 17 is too young. It wasn't too many generations ago that 16 was an acceptable age of marriage.

There is a very old saying about "Don't judge a man until you've walked a mile in their shoes." I think that this applies to this case quite well. And there is no reason why her parents would not stand up for her. Your child is your child no matter how old they are and what they have done, you will always try to help them and keep them from being hurt.

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Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

tritium tritium:

Bristol has the love and support of her parents and that says alot right their what type of parents she has.

I am sure her parents 'support' had nothing to do with the media watching them, and the majority of the country watching.

Shes sure lucky to have parents that would just say whatever, she can do whatever she wants and let her have her underage child instead of talking some sense into her.

I mean, 17 years old? You got any idea how a kid at that age would severly fuck up there lives? First of all, school? They obviously need school, does that mean one of them has to drop out and take care of the kid or will she just dump it on her 'good' parents and call it a day while she gets her life on track.

Jobs? Kids cost a hell of a lot of money, seeing how shes 17 and all I really doubt shes got a fortune saved so I really do hope her parents support her because there about to cancel there early retirement.

Are you totally nuts.

17 years old, she will be 18 and an adult shortly.

It's not like she is 13 or 15. Give is a fucking rest.

[Canute]

The whole "right-wing values" thing is solid hypocrisy. In America, the more religious a person acts in public, the more kinky stuff goes on behind closed doors. No exceptions.

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Canute Canute:

The whole "right-wing values" thing is solid hypocrisy. In America, the more religious a person acts in public, the more kinky stuff goes on behind closed doors. No exceptions.

You're a nut.

It doesn't matter a persons political compass, there are freaks in all areas on life.

[Brenda]

What is wrong with kinks or being a freak?

[bootlegga]

All I've got to say is if Palin had taught her kid about birth control, this problem wouldn't exist.

tritium tritium:

It is rather ironic the liberal philosophy, don’t try to tell me the death penalty is immoral but abortion is ok.

Kind like how there's a commandant saying "Thou shalt not kill" yet many conservatives see little wrong with killing prisoners...or killing abortion doctors...despite the fact that Jesus himself said turn the other cheek.

[westmanguy]

We all make mistakes, and the Republican party is more of a 'Compassionate Conservative' philosophy.

Even in their mixed up world, like take gay rights...they oppose most gay rights, but they have the 'compassionate' view of praying for them to get better (even if they have it totally wrong).

So the socon base will realize everyone sins, and that this young girl is owning her responsibility.

She isn't skirting her responsibility by aborting, she is having the baby and marrying the father.

Further more, if the Democrats attack at all on this issue, it will be political suicide.

Also, this will, in my opinion, endear her more to the American public. She is human, her family deals with issues many American families deal with, and she is handling it well, and supporting her daughter.

She is admirable, and I believe this will have no effect on the McCain/Palin campaign.

I really like this women...a lot.

[Gunnair]

tritium tritium:

Thought you just finished explaing to Scape how Canadian conservatism was left of centre compared to the US, yet you have Harper, leader of the CPC, listed not to far from Bush.

Wow... dumbass again.

[commanderkai]

lily lily:

Do you actually believe all that, West? I mean... Cons show compassion by praying for gay folk to get better, all the while thinking it's something you need to be ashamed of and want to be "cured"?

As for their "compassion"... where is all their compassion for the poor girls who get pregnant every day? A lot of them keep their babies too, only to be called trash. Do they offer help? No, of course not... that's only for the ones that "deserve" compassion.

Lily, its personal beliefs. What he is saying is correct. A social conservative (not all Republicans are social conservatives, mind you, so I'm being more specific) that isn't batshit crazy does not want all the adulters and crack addicts and whoever else they believe is immoral to burn in hell, they pray and wish for a recovery. West doesn't say they're right with the gay issue, however, he does understand their view, which is something to be praised. He disagrees with their view, but he sees their side of it. They show their sympathy through that, instead of going on anti-gay marches or supporting radical views against gays.

To start, I can't speak for the entire conservative movement, so I'll state my opinion. People make choices, and people make mistakes. This girl did, and for that, she will have to suffer the consequences, which she made the choice to keep the child, but she's taking responsibility, and instead of going on welfare or dropping out of school, she's asking for help from her family, and I bet her church and community. Of course you'll bring up that some girls don't have family to rely on...and in those extreme cases, I don't mind those mothers getting temporary assistance to help raise the child while she prepares for the long haul by either getting a job or finishing school.

I take offense to your assumption. If a friend of mine got pregnant, I would help her. HOWEVER, I would not be sorry for the choice she made, keeping the baby or not. She took the responsibility of having sex or whatever else, and if you do not know or understand the consequences, then in my opinion, don't do it. That goes for everything. Be it drinking, driving, drugs, jaywalking, or whatever else.

[Bacardi4206]

tritium tritium:

Are you totally nuts.

17 years old, she will be 18 and an adult shortly.

It's not like she is 13 or 15. Give is a fucking rest.

Um... me nuts? 17 years old is too young to have a kid, get a fucking clue. Better yet go research how well teen pregs lifes go when they decide to get knocked up at a young age and have the kid. Not very great. Infact people have dedicated there lives up into a certon age to get a good financial situation going to JUST take care of there kid and support it. Kids are not cheap and I seriously doubt this 17 year old has been working for a good paying job for 17 years so where does the money come from? The parents, good by early retirement Mr and Mrs parents of the daughter that couldn't take a simple pill, or get her BF to wear a condom.

People who have teen pregnancys live a horrid life of stress and poverty, just getting by on ends meat because they got a shitty low pay job because they couldn't go to school because they decided to get knocked up a couple years early and take care of a kid instead of developing a good financial situation and bringing up a child in a more steady situation.

Go research that, it's all there. So no, she may not be 13 or 15 and may only be 1 year short of the legal age to have SEX (Just a legal age for sex, just because you are allowed to have sex doesn't mean the next thing you should do is go pop out a few kids) but honestly does it fucking matter since 13, 15, 17 they all produce the same outcome in life and situation.

[Scape]

Here's daddy

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Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Um... me nuts? 17 years old is too young to have a kid, get a fucking clue.

um says you. So now you are societies moral authority.

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lily lily:

$1:

On his MySpace page, Johnston boasts, "I'm a f - - -in' redneck" who likes to snowboard and ride dirt bikes.

"But I live to play hockey. I like to go camping and hang out with the boys, do some fishing, shoot some s- - - and just f - - -in' chillin' I guess."

"Ya f - - - with me I'll kick [your] ass," he added.

He also claims to be "in a relationship," but states, "I don't want kids."

He sounds like quite the catch.

if they quoted the correct Levi Johnston

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... D=63371442

[hwacker]

tritium tritium:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Um... me nuts? 17 years old is too young to have a kid, get a fucking clue.

um says you. So now you are societies moral authority.

Funny this girl will be 18 by the time the baby arrives, the same age as B-HO's mother

[hwacker]

lily lily:

$1:

On his MySpace page, Johnston boasts, "I'm a f - - -in' redneck" who likes to snowboard and ride dirt bikes.

"But I live to play hockey. I like to go camping and hang out with the boys, do some fishing, shoot some s- - - and just f - - -in' chillin' I guess."

"Ya f - - - with me I'll kick [your] ass," he added.

He also claims to be "in a relationship," but states, "I don't want kids."

He sounds like quite the catch.

Sounds like a normal 18 YO kid.