[kenmore]

tritium tritium:

ridenrain ridenrain:

It's a letter to the editor, fer christ sakes.
Is that news or just sad desperation.

Where's the news nazi's to stonp on this.. or do they just look for Obama threads.

Hold on, the article is about Omar Khadr, a young "Canadian" held in Guantanamo and subject to sleep deprivation and other tortures.

I understand your hurt because some editor had the AUDACITY to criticise your precious Stevie Harper, but back to the facts or opinions about Omar Khadr.

Bloody Harperits

......... Young Canadian my ass, he is a fucking terrorist that should not be brought back here and his family should be deported.. and he went there on his own and fought for Al Qaeda. I don't support Harper but I support him on this..

[tritium]

meaden24 meaden24:

you have every single person in this thread explaining to you in plain english how warped YOUR idea is compared to the common belief amongst those of us that have an IQ and yet you seem to just copy what I've said and say it back to me. again we all shake our collective heads. I only give a shit what intelligent people think of me, not little kids with a chip on their shoulder ever since the liberals stopped getting their free ride in politics. Keep whining though maybe eventually you might sway one or two people to get on your side, but they also must have rocks in their heads. I'll let you have the last word because I'm done arguing with you until you prove you're not semi-retarded. oh yea, maybe you can give me another negative reputation while you hide yours from everyone else, very honourable just what I'd expect from you though, another reason why your opinion holds no weight to anyone here.

It's like talking to a brick wall...

You don't even get it, and that is what is so sad. What a stupid little ninny schmuck.

I hope that if you never travel outside the country and find yourself in a situation with the law, either by mistaken identity or by actual fact, because by your agrument... maybe you are worth saving, maybe you are not.

I guess the Government can make that call.

It's not just about one person, it's about equal treatment for all Canadians.

kenmore, you are correct, yes this guy deserves to be tossed to the wolves and his family deported, but who will be the next Canadian left out to hang.

This action sets presidence, a very important factor in the court of law.

BTW, what is Dion's point on this anyone??

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/09/ ... khadr.html

YAWN!!

[kenmore]

The liberals (which I would assume includes M.Dion) stated in the Ottawa papers that he should be brought home.. Bob Rae was extremely vocal about this ( vote seeking ).
however people are using his so called citizenship as reason to come to his defence. I would be supportive of defending any Canadian on the international stage, but in this instance when he admits he supported Al Qaeda and his family during post 9-11 crises was on the news from their Toronto home yelling about how they too support Osama bin laden.. enough is enough.. we have plenty of so called home grown terrorists living within our borders... When they stand up for and support our culture and freedoms and are willing to defend Canada then and only then would I support or call them Canadians...

[tritium]

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/09/ ... khadr.html

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Other Western governments, however, have already secured the release of their citizens from the American detention centre.

David Hicks was returned to Australia to serve the remainder of his sentence, after spending five years at the facility.

Nations such as Denmark, France, Germany and Spain have also secured the release of their citizens, while the U.K. has gone as far as winning the release from Guantanamo of non-citizen permanent residents.

kenmore writes: "...he admits he supported Al Qaeda and his family during post 9-11 crises was on the news from their Toronto home yelling about how they too support Osama bin laden.."

kenmore, this burns me up to. Emotions say, leave the fucker to rot in jail, kick his family out of Canada.

But we are a country of laws, we are suppose to protect our citizens, regardless of their crimes aboard, or what they say here in Canada. ( unless you're the HRC )

Canada is not living up to it's International responsibilities as other nations have.

[Bodah]

The common theme with the Jihad Kadhr supporters I see, is that one he is a Canadian Citizen, two should face a trial here for his actions.

Now you people know as well as I do in a WAR ZONE, When Firefights, Ambushes, IED incidents occur etc. Normal procedures dont apply right as far as assessing and collecting evidence after the fact.... then maybe you people dont know that.

There is no crime scene tape, there are no CSI agents collecting evidence dusting falafels for prints. Lawyers dont show up on the scene, Witness are dead, very hard to find, serving somewhere else etc . With that you want him tried under our court system were normal rules for hearings are expected and needed otherwise, the person walks. All they have to go buy are battle reports from Officers.

With that, without a doubt he would walk under our court systems, you guys do know that right or do you guys deep down inside really want to reward him with his freedom for killing an American.

Your hate for the US that deep and ugly ?

[meaden24]

my last point, not even going to bother replying to tritiums repy to me. I've lost interest in his opinion as he's proved it's not worth my attention, but I have figured it out for the rest of us to understand him...

so basically what tritium is saying is that he totally supports terrorist and terrorist activities, just as long as they're canadian terrorists, would the rest of you agree with that assessment?

[tritium]

meaden24 meaden24:

my last point, not even going to bother replying to tritiums repy to me. I've lost interest in his opinion as he's proved it's not worth my attention, but I have figured it out for the rest of us to understand him...

so basically what tritium is saying is that he totally supports terrorist and terrorist activities, just as long as they're canadian terrorists, would the rest of you agree with that assessment?

What a Troll.

[meaden24]

intelligent rebuttal.

[meaden24]

my point of view is shared by the majority, please read the whole forum before you try and play mediator.

[ridenrain]

tritium: You're the troll here.
You start a thread based on letters to the editor, simply because it had a provocative headline. There's simply no substance here.

Lily: What are you adding to this thread by stalking people?

[tritium]

Bodah Bodah:

The common theme with the Jihad Kadhr supporters I see, is that one he is a Canadian Citizen, two should face a trial here for his actions.

Now you people know as well as I do in a WAR ZONE, When Firefights, Ambushes, IED incidents occur etc. Normal procedures dont apply right as far as assessing and collecting evidence after the fact.... then maybe you people dont know that.

There is no crime scene tape, there are no CSI agents collecting evidence dusting falafels for prints. Lawyers dont show up on the scene, Witness are dead, very hard to find, serving somewhere else etc . With that you want him tried under our court system were normal rules for hearings are expected and needed otherwise, the person walks. All they have to go buy are battle reports from Officers.

With that, without a doubt he would walk under our court systems, you guys do know that right or do you guys deep down inside really want to reward him with his freedom for killing an American.

Your hate for the US that deep and ugly ?

That's a pretty simplistic view of the situation.

For one I am a dual citizen, so no I don't hate the USA.

I am not sure that he would get off under a Canadian court, or at least I would hope not.

Other detainees released by other government are still serving sentences, what makes Canada any different. Do you have that little faith in our justice system?

I think we need to look at our obligation as a nation under International laws as well as providing equal rights to all Canadians.

I am in no way belittling his actions as a war criminal, just saying that he must be treated equally as any other Canadian citizen abroad and afforded the same protection regardless of how despicable his crimes. (it's obvious that statement is to difficult for some members to comprehend )

Maybe we should consider changing our immigration policy and making a longer duration that 3 years to be able to acquire citizenship, something like 10 years.

[Bodah]

tritium tritium:

I think we need to look at our obligation as a nation under International laws as well as providing equal rights to all Canadians.

These Laws ? Geneva Conventions regarding prisoners of war.,.

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Article 16

Taking into consideration the provisions of the present Convention relating to rank and sex, and subject to any privileged treatment which may be accorded to them by reason of their state of health, age or professional qualifications, all prisoners of war shall be treated alike by the Detaining Power, without any adverse distinction based on race, nationality, religious belief or political opinions, or any other distinction founded on similar criteria.

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Article 84

A prisoner of war shall be tried only by a military court, unless the existing laws of the Detaining Power expressly permit the civil courts to try a member of the armed forces of the Detaining Power in respect of the particular offence alleged to have been committed by the prisoner of war.

In no circumstances whatever shall a prisoner of war be tried by a court of any kind which does not offer the essential guarantees of independence and impartiality as generally recognized, and, in particular, the procedure of which does not afford the accused the rights and means of defence provided for in Article 105.

http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/91.htm

The detaining power in this case is the US, get over it.

[Bodah]

lily lily:

Why are you calling in the Geneva Convention?

Thats what they use in war zones, you know Afghanistan

[tritium]

meaden24 meaden24:

my point of view is shared by the majority, please read the whole forum before you try and play mediator.

Majority rules or mob rules mentality.

In real life meaden24 is probably some fat fuck that couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag, but when he thinks he has a few morons on his side he becomes the bully.

Typical inferiority complex...

[Bodah]

lily lily:

Bodah Bodah:

lily lily:

Why are you calling in the Geneva Convention?

Thats what they use in war zones, you know Afghanistan

Yeah, I know. But aren't we talking about Guantanamo here?

The US is the detaining power and can move them were ever they see fit as long as they follow the rules, which they are.

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TRANSFER OF PRISONERS OF WAR AFTER THEIR ARRIVAL IN CAMP

Article 46

The Detaining Power, when deciding upon the transfer of prisoners of war, shall take into account the interests of the prisoners themselves, more especially so as not to increase the difficulty of their repatriation.

The transfer of prisoners of war shall always be effected humanely and in conditions not less favourable than those under which the forces of the Detaining Power are transferred. Account shall always be taken of the climatic conditions to which the prisoners of war are accustomed and the conditions of transfer shall in no case be prejudicial to their health.

The Detaining Power shall supply prisoners of war during transfer with sufficient food and drinking water to keep them in good health, likewise with the necessary clothing, shelter and medical attention. The Detaining Power shall take adequate precautions especially in case of transport by sea or by air, to ensure their safety during transfer, and shall draw up a complete list of all transferred prisoners before their departure.

Article 47

Sick or wounded prisoners of war shall not be transferred as long as their recovery may be endangered by the journey, unless their safety imperatively demands it.

If the combat zone draws closer to a camp, the prisoners of war in the said camp shall not be transferred unless their transfer can be carried out in adequate conditions of safety, or if they are exposed to greater risks by remaining on the spot than by being transferred.

Article 48

In the event of transfer, prisoners of war shall be officially advised of their departure and of their new postal address. Such notifications shall be given in time for them to pack their luggage and inform their next of kin.

They shall be allowed to take with them their personal effects, and the correspondence and parcels which have arrived for them. The weight of such baggage may be limited, if the conditions of transfer so require, to what each prisoner can reasonably carry, which shall in no case be more than twenty-five kilograms per head.

Mail and parcels addressed to their former camp shall be forwarded to them without delay. The camp commander shall take, in agreement with the prisoners' representative, any measures needed to ensure the transport of the prisoners' community property and of the luggage they are unable to take with them in consequence of restrictions imposed by virtue of the second paragraph of this Article.

The costs of transfers shall be borne by the Detaining Power.

I dont see anything stating they cant moved to Guantanamo here.