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Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 3:41 am
TattoodGirl TattoodGirl: Tritium...I made some comments in previous posts that were, imo insulting to you, I am sorry for that. It wasnt justified. ...don't you remember, I have 2 ex-wives and I am living with one of them. I am use to being insulted. 
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Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 3:44 am
tritium tritium: TattoodGirl TattoodGirl: Tritium...I made some comments in previous posts that were, imo insulting to you, I am sorry for that. It wasnt justified. ...don't you remember, I have 2 ex-wives and I am living with one of them. I am use to being insulted.  You're living with your ex WIFE? Are you a glutton for punishment?
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Posts: 1569
Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 4:03 am
Ah yes another Liberal program using tax payer dollars pushing the use of illegal drugs, it's a beautiful thing.. 
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ridenrain
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Posts: 22594
Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 7:32 am
There was never any doubt that Dion would favor exactly what the Government didn't. That's simple politics. What is interesting though is that all these wonderful and glorious supporters don't want centers like this in their back yards. Ottawa has it's share of junkies also, as does Toronto. Why don't we see them clamoring to set up a shooting gallery there?
Everyone's for extending this brave social experiment except the folks who have to live with the crime and poverty that drug addiction causes. We need something and this isn't working.
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ridenrain
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Posts: 22594
Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 7:47 am
It's a win-win for the drug dealers. They still get to sell the product and it's still illegal so prices stay high. Their customers are now a recognized special interest group and all the support and help that brings them, and the government will save them if they use too much. I'd even bet the law would be more lax on the dealers because their "supplying the need of those poor addicts" while raking in huge money off the misery and crime of others.
I would rather the government suspended the rights of addicts, flew them off to a rehab center in some small depressed resource town, got them off the drugs, got them counseled and then got them out and away from the slums they came from.
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Posts: 1569
Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 3:43 pm
lily lily: Johnny_Utah Johnny_Utah: Ah yes another Liberal program using tax payer dollars pushing the use of illegal drugs, it's a beautiful thing..  Is there a point in telling you to educate yourself? Probably not. I don't need an education from someone who wants to use Tax Payers dollars providing injection sites for the use of illegal drugs because in the end it's another useless Liberal social program.. Thank god Dion will never be Prime Minister..
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Posts: 21665
Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 3:55 pm
ridenrain ridenrain: We need something and this isn't working. Reserach scientist Richard Kerr says of Insite, "It improved public order. It has reduced HIV-risk behaviours, in particular syringe sharing and connected people to treatment." The head of the Chinatown Merchant Association, which is close to Insite, says that teh site has decreased street crime in the area. So based on that, I would say it is working. The problem is that neo-conservtaives don't really like science. They prefer the Bible, and thus can't see past the moral issue.
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Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 4:13 pm
They can build a safe injection site in my backyard if they want. Hell, I'll even work there.
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ridenrain
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Posts: 22594
Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 4:23 pm
Zipperfish Zipperfish: ridenrain ridenrain: We need something and this isn't working. Reserach scientist Richard Kerr says of Insite, "It improved public order. It has reduced HIV-risk behaviours, in particular syringe sharing and connected people to treatment." The head of the Chinatown Merchant Association, which is close to Insite, says that teh site has decreased street crime in the area. So based on that, I would say it is working. The problem is that neo-conservtaives don't really like science. They prefer the Bible, and thus can't see past the moral issue. Sorry. Atheist. You're lame ass religion is shitty bait. The problem is it's only one step and just supports and enables the addicts, which is great for the folks who sell the drugs.
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Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 4:42 pm
ridenrain ridenrain: Zipperfish Zipperfish: ridenrain ridenrain: We need something and this isn't working. Reserach scientist Richard Kerr says of Insite, "It improved public order. It has reduced HIV-risk behaviours, in particular syringe sharing and connected people to treatment." The head of the Chinatown Merchant Association, which is close to Insite, says that teh site has decreased street crime in the area. So based on that, I would say it is working. The problem is that neo-conservtaives don't really like science. They prefer the Bible, and thus can't see past the moral issue. Sorry. Atheist. You're lame ass religion is shitty bait. The problem is it's only one step and just supports and enables the addicts, which is great for the folks who sell the drugs. so sayeth the uneducated and uninformed..... the guy in the glass house..
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Posts: 21665
Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 5:16 pm
ridenrain ridenrain: Zipperfish Zipperfish: ridenrain ridenrain: We need something and this isn't working. Reserach scientist Richard Kerr says of Insite, "It improved public order. It has reduced HIV-risk behaviours, in particular syringe sharing and connected people to treatment." The head of the Chinatown Merchant Association, which is close to Insite, says that teh site has decreased street crime in the area. So based on that, I would say it is working. The problem is that neo-conservtaives don't really like science. They prefer the Bible, and thus can't see past the moral issue. Sorry. Atheist. You're lame ass religion is shitty bait. The problem is it's only one step and just supports and enables the addicts, which is great for the folks who sell the drugs. No need to get excited, ridenrain. I guess the ultimate goal is less addicts, less HIV and less crime. Apparently there is less crime and less HIV. I'm not sure about the number of addicts--sure looks like a crap-load of them whenever I go down there.
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Brenda
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Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 5:19 pm
And imo, that is a good thing too... They are visable. You can actually their faces, instead of just numbers somewhere. And I have them rather safe, in a safe environment for all of us, then that my kids are finding their needles on the streets, getting HIV from stepping in them, or be scared shitless because they see someone stick a needle in themselves in my backalley... I am all for it.
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Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 6:54 pm
If this is not the solution, ridenrain, then what is the solution? Prohibition, imprisonment and ignorance have not helped to solve this problem one bit and have, in fact, made it worse.
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Posts: 1569
Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 7:52 pm
lily lily: Johnny_Utah Johnny_Utah: Ah yes another Liberal program using tax payer dollars pushing the use of illegal drugs, it's a beautiful thing..  Is there a point in telling you to educate yourself? Probably not. I thought I would add this you Liberal Dion Sheep, I've seen first hand what drugs does to someone, I have a cousin who fucked up his whole life and lost everything he had because he became a drug addict of his own choice.. Your Liberal Dion social program would enable others like him to fuck up their lives, so I am educated, get it Liberal Dion Sheep? 
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ridenrain
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Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 10:00 pm
lily lily: ridenrain ridenrain: The problem is it's only one step and just supports and enables the addicts, which is great for the folks who sell the drugs. It was supposed to be part of the Four Pillars. Too bad certain people don't want to see the whole program in action. That's a cop-out. So where are the other pillars? The drug friendly federal Liberals have been in a long time and everyone who wanted this was in power.. where is it? You have to admit that there has been enough time and money so these other pillars could have been set up...but they never have. So why is that? I'd say it's so the drug dealers can keep selling product to addicts. These addicts won't get cured nor will they die, and their numbers are probably growing because this is the drug-friendly west coast, after all. I imagine the kick-backs and bribes must be huge.
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