[putz]

Well people lets take a reality check here. We live in times now that grade 3 students plot to kill teachers, grade 5 students rape other students. Seems children this day and age are not as innocent as they used to be. Plus, one of the kids was believed to be holding a MEAT CLEAVER! How would you expect the police to respond?

[DerbyX]

proudcanukchick proudcanukchick:

DerbyX DerbyX:

lily lily:

You decided all that after reading one side of the story?

I think you've injected more than a little personal experience there, Derb.

Wrong.

I can't believe you people can be so cavalier about cops busting up a rowdy sleepover and handcuffing a 10 year old child.

If he really wanted to scare him he should have pistol whipped him to.

10 years in a federal pen would smarten that kid up too I'll bet.

I didn't jump all over the RCMP like others based on my personal feelings or experiences. I examined that situation based on the merits of the facts.

I did the same here and I can't even bend over backwards to make this appear even slightly in favour of the police.

It certainly seems like a bucnh of bitter adults are relishing a sassy kid getting his just deserts.

If "that kid's" parents had been home as they should have been, none of this would have happened.

Period.

As for the 10 years in federal pen smartening him up - if he's left unsupervised, playing with meat cleavers long enough, that could very well be exactly where he ends up.

No. The cops should have acted professionally instead of pretending a 10 year old was a hardened biker con.

[DerbyX]

lily lily:

DerbyX DerbyX:

lily lily:

You decided all that after reading one side of the story?

I think you've injected more than a little personal experience there, Derb.

Wrong.

I can't believe you people can be so cavalier about cops busting up a rowdy sleepover and handcuffing a 10 year old child.

What sleepover?

A bunch of kids horsing around then.

[DerbyX]

mikewood86 mikewood86:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Neighbours are notorious for embellishing complaints against other neghbours especially if they are feuding or are pissed of at the neighbours kids.

This is a noise complaint and the cops treated it as a drug-house raid and don't hand me some BS line about handcuffs being for the protection of the cops. It was a bunch of kids and it certainly wasn't to protect the child.

This was cops acting badly beyond belief. Now read what the kid said about the cops. He only has problem with the one "rude one". He certainly isn't attacking all cops.

Hell, this forum has seen more then enough evidence that cops can and do go way overboard. There are certainly many videos about how skaters have been abused.

If you people find this acceptable behaviour in police officers then lookout if they ever have a bad day and you say something wron got them.

So many people are just itching to blame the parents for a sitation the cops could have and should have dealt with in a farmore reasonable manner.

Thats the measure of a good officer. A good officer would have sized up the situation and dissolved it wothout resorting to gestapo tactics.

They are trained to diffuse situations and not antagonize or exacerbate them. There are plenty of scenarios on COPS where they do just that. They diffuse a situation using talking rfather then escalating it even if they are justified doing so.

This should have been solved with a simple knock on the door and a stern warning about keeping it down.

Instead we got cops who kicked in the door like it was Miami Vice and handcuffed a bloody 10 year old. Battle lines have been drawn up and people's opinions of cops have been lowered.

I don't think they are justified but even if somebody does, the cops should have handled it better being that they were trained adult cops dealing with children even if they were "technically" justified.

I wouldn't trust cops who had to resort to handcuffs on a child to handle any domestic call, traffic stop, or a damn gun for that matter.

I only want to point out that from a police officer standpoint, you can't just assume it's because they are fuiding neighbours, or the fact the one neighbour hates the meat cleaver weilding devil child from next door. If someone called the police with the information given and the police chalked it up to feuding neighbours instead of responding, you'd be all over the cops then I bet. Damned if you do, damned if you don't I guess.

Had they responded to it as a noise complaint, they wouldn't have had guns drawn or showed up when they did (priorities..ie murders, thefts etc.), letting a situation (involving cleavers and beer cans) possibly escalate. IT WAS THE MEAT CLEAVER AND BEER CANS THAT WARRENTED THE ACTIONS OF THE OFFICERS.

I guess there hasn't been enough children stabbed in the news yet for everyone to realize.

Nothing warranted the handcuffing of a scared 10 year old after the cops were well aware that it wasn't a cleaver waving jason wannabe. Nothing.

If the cops aren't smart enough not to jump to conclusions and aren't trained enough to deal with the situation like professionals then they should hand in their badges and stick to gaurdung malls.

As for your dammed if you do BS.

As I told Lily, I didn't jump all over the RCMP when they tasered a man to death because the situation warranted their actions.

If she saw a meat cleaver then she clearly saw it was a young child. She certinly knew who lived there and certainly knew it was a bunch of kids.

[DerbyX]

mtbr mtbr:

I hope Derby never has a run in with a "gang" of sassy 10 year olds...we all know their all sweet an innocent they all are....especially if they're swinging meat cleavers and tossing beer cans.

Then lets assume all kids are bad.

No matter how badly their parents beat or abuse them its all for the best then eh?

[newfette]

derby why are you so hellbent to believe that this 10 year old wasn't just some punk ass kid??

no not all ten year olds are drunken, meat cleaver weilding heathens... but some are.

[mikewood86]

DerbyX DerbyX:

mikewood86 mikewood86:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Neighbours are notorious for embellishing complaints against other neghbours especially if they are feuding or are pissed of at the neighbours kids.

This is a noise complaint and the cops treated it as a drug-house raid and don't hand me some BS line about handcuffs being for the protection of the cops. It was a bunch of kids and it certainly wasn't to protect the child.

This was cops acting badly beyond belief. Now read what the kid said about the cops. He only has problem with the one "rude one". He certainly isn't attacking all cops.

Hell, this forum has seen more then enough evidence that cops can and do go way overboard. There are certainly many videos about how skaters have been abused.

If you people find this acceptable behaviour in police officers then lookout if they ever have a bad day and you say something wron got them.

So many people are just itching to blame the parents for a sitation the cops could have and should have dealt with in a farmore reasonable manner.

Thats the measure of a good officer. A good officer would have sized up the situation and dissolved it wothout resorting to gestapo tactics.

They are trained to diffuse situations and not antagonize or exacerbate them. There are plenty of scenarios on COPS where they do just that. They diffuse a situation using talking rfather then escalating it even if they are justified doing so.

This should have been solved with a simple knock on the door and a stern warning about keeping it down.

Instead we got cops who kicked in the door like it was Miami Vice and handcuffed a bloody 10 year old. Battle lines have been drawn up and people's opinions of cops have been lowered.

I don't think they are justified but even if somebody does, the cops should have handled it better being that they were trained adult cops dealing with children even if they were "technically" justified.

I wouldn't trust cops who had to resort to handcuffs on a child to handle any domestic call, traffic stop, or a damn gun for that matter.

I only want to point out that from a police officer standpoint, you can't just assume it's because they are fuiding neighbours, or the fact the one neighbour hates the meat cleaver weilding devil child from next door. If someone called the police with the information given and the police chalked it up to feuding neighbours instead of responding, you'd be all over the cops then I bet. Damned if you do, damned if you don't I guess.

Had they responded to it as a noise complaint, they wouldn't have had guns drawn or showed up when they did (priorities..ie murders, thefts etc.), letting a situation (involving cleavers and beer cans) possibly escalate. IT WAS THE MEAT CLEAVER AND BEER CANS THAT WARRENTED THE ACTIONS OF THE OFFICERS.

I guess there hasn't been enough children stabbed in the news yet for everyone to realize.

Nothing warranted the handcuffing of a scared 10 year old after the cops were well aware that it wasn't a cleaver waving jason wannabe. Nothing.

If the cops aren't smart enough not to jump to conclusions and aren't trained enough to deal with the situation like professionals then they should hand in their badges and stick to gaurdung malls.

As for your dammed if you do BS.

As I told Lily, I didn't jump all over the RCMP when they tasered a man to death because the situation warranted their actions.

If she saw a meat cleaver then she clearly saw it was a young child. She certinly knew who lived there and certainly knew it was a bunch of kids.

Did she know parents were home? Did she think the kid(s) was(were) possibly drunk? What could have given her that idea? The noise or the empty beer cans she witnessed? If you wanna take chances leaving your kids with cleavers and beer, be my guest.

Nothing in the media report states the kid was or was not co-operating, or did or did not do anything to warrant the handcuffs. Guess we'll have to wait this one out until more information becomes available.

I'm not saying you have a thing against cops. However, in this situation, had they not responded in the way they did, things could have been much worse than a minor handcuffing and a seat in the back of a cruiser.

[DerbyX]

lily lily:

$1:

As I told Lily, I didn't jump all over the RCMP when they tasered a man to death because the situation warranted their actions.

I think the cops were in the wrong in that case.

You are absolutely correct. An irate man throwing chairs around was far less dangerous then a horsing around 10 year old.

I'm surprised that when the cops found out it was a bunch of kids they didn't fall back and call the SWAT. Perhaps the JTF2. Hell, the situation warranted at least an airstrike didn't it?

[Ripcat]

Hmmm, if I had a ten year old that was just some punk ass kid, could I handcuff him and lock him in his room when he ran his mouth off?

[DerbyX]

newfette newfette:

derby why are you so hellbent to believe that this 10 year old wasn't just some punk ass kid??

no not all ten year olds are drunken, meat cleaver weilding heathens... but some are.

Why are you so hell-bent on trying to make this kid sound like he was some knife wielding out of control high on meth psycho instead of just some kid goofing off?

I based my judgement on the interview the kid gave after the fact, what he said, and the fact that the vast majority of kids are good kids.

What happened is obvious. The kid had his friends over and they were all playing video games and play fighting with sticks. The parents stepped out for visit to the grand-parents and boys being boys the playing around got a little spirited. Perfectly normal.

Then some neighbour who very very likely knew that kids lived there and had probably dealt with noisy kids alot complained and like all people complaining she embellished her complaint to make it worse then it was. Did she see a meat cleaver? If she did then she damn well saw it was a child holding it but I don't believe she did.

The cops then assumed that a local suburban home was actually a crack house and without any forethought or intelligence kicked in the door to what was obviously a simple noise complaint. Did they get multiple complaints? Don't think so. Did they get a complaint that gunshots were being heard? Nope. They over reacted. Period.

Then when it became apparent that it was just a bunch of kids some pissed off adult cop decided he was "going to put the fear of his god in him", a sentiment echoed here by many and so very reasonable to believe. He went straight for the heavy handed approach and foul language, both of which were unappropriate and extremely unprofessional. Then they handcuffed the child and called child services in what somebody else suggested to me was designed to make the situation look worse then it was thereby legitamizing their tactics and avoid getting into trouble for something that never should have happened.

The parents found their child terrified and crying and shaking in the back of a squad car, hardly the actions of a harded thug that the kid would have to be to warrant such treatment.

That pretty much sums it up.

This was a situation whereby trained adult police officers could not properly handle a situation involving a few children without the whole thing getting blown out of proportion. They could have handled this better but now regardless of thwe outcome of the complaint its on their record and in the publics eye.

What about the next time something like this happens and the situation does warrant harsh measures? Their actions will be questioned all the more given that they couldn't handle children properly then why should we believe them now?

In a day and age when there are real incidents of kids beating each other on you tube, kids conspiraing to kill their teacher, and a gang of kids beating another one into unconsciousness why on earth would we treat children who were just having fun like this?

Do we want to make absolutely certain they grow up to act like the very kids I just described?

[DerbyX]

mikewood86 mikewood86:

DerbyX DerbyX:

mikewood86 mikewood86:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Neighbours are notorious for embellishing complaints against other neghbours especially if they are feuding or are pissed of at the neighbours kids.

This is a noise complaint and the cops treated it as a drug-house raid and don't hand me some BS line about handcuffs being for the protection of the cops. It was a bunch of kids and it certainly wasn't to protect the child.

This was cops acting badly beyond belief. Now read what the kid said about the cops. He only has problem with the one "rude one". He certainly isn't attacking all cops.

Hell, this forum has seen more then enough evidence that cops can and do go way overboard. There are certainly many videos about how skaters have been abused.

If you people find this acceptable behaviour in police officers then lookout if they ever have a bad day and you say something wron got them.

So many people are just itching to blame the parents for a sitation the cops could have and should have dealt with in a farmore reasonable manner.

Thats the measure of a good officer. A good officer would have sized up the situation and dissolved it wothout resorting to gestapo tactics.

They are trained to diffuse situations and not antagonize or exacerbate them. There are plenty of scenarios on COPS where they do just that. They diffuse a situation using talking rfather then escalating it even if they are justified doing so.

This should have been solved with a simple knock on the door and a stern warning about keeping it down.

Instead we got cops who kicked in the door like it was Miami Vice and handcuffed a bloody 10 year old. Battle lines have been drawn up and people's opinions of cops have been lowered.

I don't think they are justified but even if somebody does, the cops should have handled it better being that they were trained adult cops dealing with children even if they were "technically" justified.

I wouldn't trust cops who had to resort to handcuffs on a child to handle any domestic call, traffic stop, or a damn gun for that matter.

I only want to point out that from a police officer standpoint, you can't just assume it's because they are fuiding neighbours, or the fact the one neighbour hates the meat cleaver weilding devil child from next door. If someone called the police with the information given and the police chalked it up to feuding neighbours instead of responding, you'd be all over the cops then I bet. Damned if you do, damned if you don't I guess.

Had they responded to it as a noise complaint, they wouldn't have had guns drawn or showed up when they did (priorities..ie murders, thefts etc.), letting a situation (involving cleavers and beer cans) possibly escalate. IT WAS THE MEAT CLEAVER AND BEER CANS THAT WARRENTED THE ACTIONS OF THE OFFICERS.

I guess there hasn't been enough children stabbed in the news yet for everyone to realize.

Nothing warranted the handcuffing of a scared 10 year old after the cops were well aware that it wasn't a cleaver waving jason wannabe. Nothing.

If the cops aren't smart enough not to jump to conclusions and aren't trained enough to deal with the situation like professionals then they should hand in their badges and stick to gaurdung malls.

As for your dammed if you do BS.

As I told Lily, I didn't jump all over the RCMP when they tasered a man to death because the situation warranted their actions.

If she saw a meat cleaver then she clearly saw it was a young child. She certinly knew who lived there and certainly knew it was a bunch of kids.

Did she know parents were home? Did she think the kid(s) was(were) possibly drunk? What could have given her that idea? The noise or the empty beer cans she witnessed? If you wanna take chances leaving your kids with cleavers and beer, be my guest.

Nothing in the media report states the kid was or was not co-operating, or did or did not do anything to warrant the handcuffs. Guess we'll have to wait this one out until more information becomes available.

I'm not saying you have a thing against cops. However, in this situation, had they not responded in the way they did, things could have been much worse than a minor handcuffing and a seat in the back of a cruiser.

I think the neighbour knew exactly what was going on and just didn't like it.

As for "co-operating". It was a ten year old. If the police can't handle a 10 year old child without resorting to handcuffs then how the hell will they handle adults?

[ShepherdsDog]

So your own personal experiences with the police aren't colouring your views? Your stance has nothing to do with a friend of yours being cuffed for being a little too mouthy with some officers during an altercation?

[Ripcat]

My own personal experiences with the police lead me to believe that these guys were out of line.

[DerbyX]

Ripcat Ripcat:

My own personal experiences with the police lead me to believe that these guys were out of line.

Mine too. Only Lily (from this thread) has been on here long enough to possibly remember my experiences with cops as it was 2 years ago when I spoke of it and possibly you.

[canuckns]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Ripcat Ripcat:

My own personal experiences with the police lead me to believe that these guys were out of line.

Mine too. Only Lily (from this thread) has been on here long enough to possibly remember my experiences with cops as it was 2 years ago when I spoke of it and possibly you.

I have been pulled over for no more then a speeding infraction and have been pulled out of m ycar and handcuffed. Not only for my prtection but that of the officers. I was released after my ID was confirmed and had no warrents.