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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:54 am
 


I grew up in Southern Ontario's farming community. It is no accident that the LIBRANOs get little backing there. When I grew up virtually every farm was a mixed/dairy farm. I watched that industry shut down and transferred to Quebec. When the drought in the West occurred Ontario's farmers had no hesitation to send hay west---at their own expense. It is like Alberta----an us versus them mentality.

As far as carbon taxes---DION and the LIBRANOs howl CO2 just to be anti-american but like most governments (except for the deluded europeans) knew the reality that it was fraud---and did nothing. That is why BALI/KYOTO failed....governments are not unaware of reality...


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:33 am
 


I just can’t help but think that there is just something inherently wrong with the way Quebec holds the rest of Canada for ransom but still complains how it is being shafted. But there’s all ready a thread started on that subject so I will leave it at that.


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Dion is an asshole. What the hell is he still doing in Canadian politics. Liberals are fucking up big time. Get a proper leader, fucking scrubs.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:25 am
 


A bit late but its been a loooong week.

GFPB GFPB:
Times are good in Alberta but it still does not address all the inequities. We are not asking for more power then Ontario or Quebec, rather an equal say in the Confederation.

As the wealth and power of the west grows so to will the demands for more equality within the Confederation rather then a lethargic fat cat compliance you think is more befitting.


Then you agree with me that Harpers circumventing of the federal seat redistribution act, the apolitical auto review, giving more seats to BC, AB, and ON with ON getting the short end of the stick was wrong.

I'm all for giving Alberta a voice comprerable to its population but so far a load of your fellow provincial mates have said Ontario deserves less and it is certainly going to get it under Harper.

As for the lethargic cat thing, well thats just plain wrong.

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Its easy to ignore the money as there really was none that was not invested with out a clear profit objective. But start with former Liberal MP David Kilgours website and read the article he wrote on the origins of western alienation.


Profit is almost always the objective. So what?

I'll read up on Kilgour if you read up on Calgary Grits defence of the NEP

In fact his entire blog is an Alberta-Liberal perspective.

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And where is this poll? I've never heard anything like that. In fact, it is the opposite. We believe that Ontario should have a larger number of seats in the House of Commons based on proportional representation. However, are greatest irk is that the Senate reform is routinely blocked by Ontario and Quebec who are not interested in diminishing their power base and being subject to provincial equality.


Admittedly my research is based on the many AB posters complaining about how Ontario always forced a Liberal gov't on them and so deserves less votes.

I've already made my point about Harpers plan to diminish Ontarios voice per capita and the manner with which he is doing it shouldn't please you any as its the very type of politics you dislike.

As for senate reform (presumably the triple-E senate) there is a large cost involved. More expensive elections for us to foot the bill. We can always make the appoinments representative of the % of votes or setas.

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Alberta's darkest hour in the depths of the Great Depression both corporate Ontario (banks) and the Federal government refused to provide loans or guarantees of loans to keep Alberta from going bankrupt. The province, having exhausted all avenues within Canada was bailed out by Chase Manhatten Bank.


Are you honestly going back to the great depression? My grandfather wasn't even born yet. Its funny that you guys seem to use every past greviance as if it happened yesterday but when another group does it to you its a different story. What about the treatment of all Natives in the past?

How about everybody in Alberta returns the land to the natives and moves back home?

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The Depression impacted the prairies far more then any other region of Canada and we never forgot the generosity of Maritimers sending fruits, vegtables and dried fish. In fact, about 15 years ago farmers were milling their own grain into pancake batter and sending it to the maritimes to alleviate the economic pressures of a dying fishery.

During the drought we appreciated the efforts of individual farmers in Ontario to donate hay and even though it was only a token gesture of solidarity, they were as dismayed and frustrated as us by the barriers to transportation imposed by the then Liberal government.


A token gesture? Thats entirely what I mean. It certainly wasn't in any way shape or form a token gesture. It was an honest attempt to help.

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You are a guilty for voting for a party you know is hostile to the region.


The Liberals aren't hostile. They just know its almost useless for them to even try to win support so consequently they enact legislation and policies based on the needs and wishes of its support base. The cons do the same thing. They all do.

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If you believe bringing it on ourselves is wrought by refusing to support a party that wishes to subjugate us then you have a funny idea of provincial equality. It's kinda like the women who is beaten by her husband and told she brings it on herself.


Your analogy is incorrect. Its more accurate to think its like the women who plays "hard to get" and ignores every attempt and spurns and advance and then wonders why the guy decides to go elsewhere.

Why should the Liberals focus their policies on the wishes of people who won't ever support them. All that will happen is they will simply have no support. Add to this that virtually any attempt by the federal gov't to impact even the slightest amount of Alberta is met with howls of outrage.

Oh, to answer your question, thats exactly what Harper is doing to Ontario, except he is openly antagonzing us. He didn't get the support he wanted so he isn't giving the support we want. He gave it to Quebec though because thats where he thinks he can win more support.


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Dion is an asshole. What the hell is he still doing in Canadian politics. Liberals are fucking up big time. Get a proper leader, fucking scrubs.



maybe he still thinks that he has a chance , sort of like that guy at the bar who goes after girls out of his league only to get shot down. dion will get rejected it is only a matter of time .


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:05 am
 


The harsh reality is that the LIBRANOs are Canada's carpet-baggers.


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Then you agree with me that Harpers circumventing of the federal seat redistribution act, the apolitical auto review, giving more seats to BC, AB, and ON with ON getting the short end of the stick was wrong.

I'm all for giving Alberta a voice comparable to its population but so far a load of your fellow provincial mates have said Ontario deserves less and it is certainly going to get it under Harper.
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Don't see how giving Ontario a few less seat this time around really hurts them. They will still maintain a firm hold on the balance of power with in Canada. Giving more seats to BC and Alta just evens things out a bit. If we held firm to the belief that seats should be evenly divided as per population I would imagine that it wouldn't just be BC and Alberta complaining but the Atlantic provinces would be a little peeved a well.

With the economic growth of the western provinces becoming more prevalent every year (and I include Saskatchewan and Manitoba as western provinces) they should have a bit more say in how things are run. It's not healthy for us as a country when everything is determined by only 2 out of 13 provinces and territories.


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