[Bacardi4206]

I suspect some people got something against theories >.<. You CANNOT say for sure that this will all end well, so what's the point in debating against people who don't like this? Infact why are you even doing that in the first place? You like it, and we don't. Thats your oppinion, and then there is ours.

I am not against this whole thing, but I detest the idea of having American Military on Canadian soil that isn't controlled by the Canadian Military or government.

Some of those civil emergencies aren't always going to be fires, some of them will be things like riots, etc. Wouldn't it be fantastic if people started rioting against the Afghanistan war, and American troops were called in to handle it? Damn, that would be the greatest present I could wish for. I am sure nothing would go wrong at all, it will be all fine.

Lol, excuse me for worrying about it. If we all went into situations without worrying about what would happen, then it is most likely that something will happen.

[RUEZ]

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

I suspect some people got something against theories >.<. You CANNOT say for sure that this will all end well, so what's the point in debating against people who don't like this? Infact why are you even doing that in the first place? You like it, and we don't. Thats your oppinion, and then there is ours.

I am not against this whole thing, but I detest the idea of having American Military on Canadian soil that isn't controlled by the Canadian Military or government.

Some of those civil emergencies aren't always going to be fires, some of them will be things like riots, etc. Wouldn't it be fantastic if people started rioting against the Afghanistan war, and American troops were called in to handle it? Damn, that would be the greatest present I could wish for. I am sure nothing would go wrong at all, it will be all fine.

Lol, excuse me for worrying about it. If we all went into situations without worrying about what would happen, then it is most likely that something will happen.

I think you're making a big deal out of nothing.

[Tricks]

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

You're a idiot, you really think America would call for 'Canadian' Military support?

I'm an idiot? They did call for support in New Orleans. Whoops.

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They would call for there own Military, that's why they have it.

And they would also call on others to help out... like they have in the past.

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They have there National Gaurd that deals with situations like that. Seeing as how Canada doesn't have a big army. If anything, we will be calling for Military support from America.

What's wrong with us calling for help from the states? If we need, lets use it.

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Now, America's military sucks at peace keeping.

If theirs does, then so does ours, we aren't trained as peacekeepers. We don't have formal training. Both countries are trained for combat.

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From Iraq, they aren't the best Police Officers either.

They aren't trying to be Cops.

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You really think its going to be great having American Military on Canadian soil policing areas?

If it's needed, I think it's fine. Hey, our soldiers get to make some friends.

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Rofl, if they would have been under Canadian command while there on our territory then maybe that would be something different but I detest the idea of having American Troops policing situations in Canadian territory.

Why would we do that? Our soldiers wouldn't be under their command, so why should theirs be under ours? Double standard?

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This should be strictly Firefighter/Police only, with leaving the Military out of it.

Why?

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I am not against this helping each other out bit, but having American Military on Canadian Soil does make me a bit anxious.

So you're a foiler? You think the big bad Americans are going to start shooting Canadians for no reason? And I'm the idiot?

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Also America helps us defend our borders? Since when?

Um... Wow. The states has been watching our ass throughout the cold war and beyond.

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They protect THERE borders that leads from America to Canada territory, Don't think they are protecting any borders that aren't Also American which means? There there to protect there borders, not ours.

You really are dense. They aren't stationed there, but if anyone tried anything in Canada, we would have divisions of soldiers up here before anyone even knew what was happening. Without the states, we would be fucked.

[Normalguy]

Boring, predictable leftist whining about sovereignty. North America gets every kind of natural and other calamaties. Whats gonna happen when the earthquake we now is coming happens in BC? We don't have enough HUSAR teams or other resources to sort that out i.e. save Canadians. Liberals/NDP would rather spend on steaks for cons, terrorist immigrants and blue coveralls for everyone! WTF! who else can we rely on? Europe? get real. We have to move on from eastern Canadian, limousine riding Liberal paranoia. Can anyone imagine where we'd be without the US? Grow TF up........

“One of the consequences of such notions as "entitlements" is that people who have contributed nothing to society feel that society owes them something, apparently just for being nice enough to grace us with their presence.”--Thomas Sowell

Nuff said

[Normalguy]

Ubi bene, ibi patria ....Thank a soldier for your liberty!

[sandorski]

Normalguy Normalguy:

Boring, predictable leftist whining about sovereignty. North America gets every kind of natural and other calamaties. Whats gonna happen when the earthquake we now is coming happens in BC? We don't have enough HUSAR teams or other resources to sort that out i.e. save Canadians. Liberals/NDP would rather spend on steaks for cons, terrorist immigrants and blue coveralls for everyone! WTF! who else can we rely on? Europe? get real. We have to move on from eastern Canadian, limousine riding Liberal paranoia. Can anyone imagine where we'd be without the US? Grow TF up........

“One of the consequences of such notions as "entitlements" is that people who have contributed nothing to society feel that society owes them something, apparently just for being nice enough to grace us with their presence.”--Thomas Sowell

Nuff said

Wow! Who cares about Sovereignty? Only "Leftists" I suppose.

I have mixed feelings on this policy and see why it makes sense, but also see the issues being raised against it. It's quite telling how the usual Flag Wrappers seem all dismissive of Sovereignty issues in this situation simply because of who raises those issues.

Blind following of Ideology is stupid. This issue seems to be more evidence of that.

[saturn_656]

Normalguy Normalguy:

Can anyone imagine where we'd be without the US

Uhh... same place we are now?

[stemmer]

That's what neighbours do...they help each other.... Why must some of you use every news story to promote your anti-American, anti-Bush agenda?

[sandorski]

stemmer stemmer:

That's what neighbours do...they help each other.... Why must some of you use every news story to promote your anti-American, anti-Bush agenda?

Most of it is Pro-Canadian, not Anti-American. There's a subtle yet significant difference.

[Katz]

There's only one thing I worry about more than anything else. I'm sure some agree with it but I do NOT !!

When things are done behind our backs, then I fear quietly as to what is really going on.

http://www.vivelecanada.ca/staticpages/ ... 0133702539

It has nothing to do with Americans but everything to do with me being a Canadian and remaining one.

[Normalguy]

Ubi bene, ibi patria --where you feel good is home, I might be in the minority (won't be the last time) but I am comfortable with a close relationship with the US in cases like this. While the quiet dignity of being a Canadian is lost on many today, I am reminded about something that Gordon Sinclair said and can be found at:

http://www.broadcasting-history.ca/news ... _text.html

The US is NOT the evil empire it is made out to be by elements in our society that are more comfortable whining about it than facing historical fact. Are they perfect? no, and neither are we......

[Katz]

Being powerful is like being a lady.

If you have to tell people you are,

You aren't.

[SprCForr]

There is a bit of confusion that needs to be set right to prevent the misunderstanding of "foreign command". The news article has a misleading part:

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Trew also noted the U.S. military does not allow its soldiers to operate under foreign command so there are questions about who controls American forces if they are requested for service in Canada.

I'll provide a little background to illustrate the relationship. Not many civilians (and junior soldiers too) are aware of the terms "under command" and "in support" and what they entail. Those are the words used (or the equivalent national phrase) to convey to the appropriate leaders what the relationship with the new command element will be.

The attachment of a unit that isn't a normal part of the formation takes place under one of those terms. For "under command", the attached unit (of whatever nationality) is directly inserted into the formation and conducts the ordered operations for the specifed period of time or mission duration, etc. For Example, a Cdn Battalion (Bn) attached to a US Brigade (Bde) acts as a subordinate unit exactly like a US Bn from that Bde does. It gets supported the same, gets orders from the same source etc, etc.

The other relationship is "in support". If that same Cdn Bn is in support (as opposed to under command) of the the US Bde, then the Brigade Commander would brief in the Cdn CO and the Cdn unit would conduct their operations in such a manner as to support the US Bde in their operations. It (the Cdn unit) is not subordinate to, nor a part of, the US Bde. The Cdn unit CO would then get his orders from either a Cdn Contingent Commander (who is directly subordinate to the Commander at the appropriate level)or the next higher headquarters (for this example the US Division Comd).

It means that a US unit sent to support the Canadian government, would be a part of the established Canadian military chain of command. Either the direct level (under command) or at a higher level (in support). What wouldn't happen (ever) would be the US commander (in the example above) being cut out and a Canadian being put in charge of the unit.

Hopefully that helps clarify the issue a little more.

BTW, a review of history will disprove the claim from the article. For example, in the Cold War, for NATO it was quite common for US units to serve under the command of of National contingents.

[Loader]

Sorry to disappoint the conspiracy theorists, but this is a big story about nothing.

There are lots of Americans integrated with the Canadian military, just as there are Canadians integrated with the US military. Every summer US construction engineers come to Canadian Bases and Wings and build buildings, repair runways etc, just as Canadian engineers go to the US for the same reasons.

We have used the American Air Base in Thule Greenland to re-supply Canadian Forces Station Alert on Ellsmere Island since it was built in the late 50’s, we use US Bases in Iceland, the Azores, Europe and the Middle East for rest, refuelling and repairs to our planes on a regular basis.

The US has come to our aid many times over the years just as we have gone to help them many times over the years. Bottom line is it will be up to civilian authorities in both countries on whether military assistance is requested or even used.

ridenrain ridenrain:

Better move to France, you lefty arse-lickers of Satan.

[commanderkai]

To be honest, this has been happening since we've been in NATO probably. This isn't a concern here. Sovereignty doesn't come into play unless they try to take us over, which they won't.