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Well there you go. You don't get to say, 20 years on, that teachers have it easy when you weren't prepared to do what was needed to become one. Why didn't you go back to school 15 years ago? Maybe because back then it wasn't quite so easy being a teacher, as Klein was coming through slashing the fuck out of everything? Teachers are just getting back all they gave up in years past.

Besides, you haven't answered my question as to whether or not your sister is still being paid her teacher's salary while she's off work pregnant. Summer vacations are funded by teachers accepting a lower salary every month than they'd demand for the other ten months if they didn't get it. And just because your sister has a lot of free time doesn't mean all teachers have a lot of free time. My dad was a teacher, a high school teacher. He'd do at least one or two hours of work at home every night preparing and grading tests, marking other assignments, preparing his lessons. wanna bet

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No, teachers have always had it easy the only difference now is the classes are smaller and they still whine about that. While Klein was doing all his "slashing" there was no shortage of teachers despite the "deplorable" conditions. My sister finished school and became a teacher in the nineties.

My daughters school is locked and empty by 3:30 everyday, most teachers exaggerate the amount of time spent working, time management should be taught in the University Ed programs.Subtract all the professional days ,teachers convention(which they don't attend) stat holidays etc,...the job is part-time compared to other fields.Heres one for you "Faith Day" I went to school in the Catholic system we never had "faithDay" as a day off.....the teachers in the Catholic system made that one up a few years ago.

All that for a generous fulltime salary with a great "top up" on mat leave.

Alberta teachers are now among the highest paid in the country with the shortest work week.

I'm sorry your dad had to suck it up in the 90's like everyone else in Alberta.

Ralph always ran on the promise he would eliminate the debt , wow a politician keeping his word

That's why he kept getting elected.

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No, teachers have always had it easy the only difference now is the classes are smaller and they still whine about that. While Klein was doing all his "slashing" there was no shortage of teachers despite the "deplorable" conditions. My sister finished school and became a teacher in the nineties.

My daughters school is locked and empty by 3:30 everyday, most teachers exaggerate the amount of time spent working, time management should be taught in the University Ed programs.Subtract all the professional days ,teachers convention(which they don't attend) stat holidays etc,...the job is part-time compared to other fields.Heres one for you "Faith Day" I went to school in the Catholic system we never had "faithDay" as a day off.....the teachers in the Catholic system made that one up a few years ago.

All that for a generous fulltime salary with a great "top up" on mat leave.

Alberta teachers are now among the highest paid in the country with the shortest work week.

I'm sorry your dad had to suck it up in the 90's like everyone else in Alberta.

Ralph always ran on the promise he would eliminate the debt , wow a politician keeping his word

That's why he kept getting elected.

Teachers absolutely do not exaggerate the amount of time spent working at home. Those who spend little to none are the freeloaders who folks like you always bitch about not being able to fire.

Yea, Alberta teachers have a high salary, but they're faced with a high cost of living so it all balances out. A teacher in Sask makes less but their houses cost less and even though they've got higher income taxes they'ev got no health care taxes and do have public insurance. In some cases they come out ahead of Alberta teachers even though they've got a lower salary.

An ill considered promise kept is no better than a good promise broken.

Ralph kept getting elected because Alberta never votes anything but the dominant conservative party of the day, federally or provincially. We haven't changed governments in 36 years provincially, and we haven't actively participated in a change of government federally in decades either - we've just been along for the ride.

Care to address my other dozen issues now, or are you going to keep ignoring them?

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Ralph kept getting elected because Alberta never votes anything but the dominant conservative party of the day, federally or provincially. We haven't changed governments in 36 years provincially, and we haven't actively participated in a change of government federally in decades either - we've just been along for the ride.

Just to back up this point, here's a summary of provincial shifts in federal party support since '65, when we basically got the parties we still have today. In the 14 elections since 1963, every province but one has flipped from supporting one party to a different party at least three times, and three have even changed six times.

BC - 6 times:
'65 went to NDP from Liberal
'68 went Liberal from NDP
'72 went NDP from Liberal
'74 went PC from NDP
'88 went NDP from PC
'93 went Reform from NDP

Ontario - 6 times:
72 went PC from Liberal
74 went Liberal from PC
79 went PC from Liberal
80 went Liberal from PC
84 went PC from Liberal
88 went Liberal from PC

Nova Scotia - 6 times:
68 went PC from Liberal
74 went Liberal from PC
84 went PC from Liberal
88 went Liberal from PC
97 went PC from Liberal
00 went Liberal from PC

Newfoundland - 5 times:
80 went Liberal from PC
84 went PC from Liberal
88 went Liberal from PC
97 went PC from Liberal
00 went Liberal from PC

Manitoba - 4 times:
68 went Liberal from PC
72 went PC from Liberal
93 went Liberal from PC
04 went Conservative from Liberal

Quebec - 4 times:
84 went PC from Liberal
93 went Bloc from PC
00 went Liberal from Bloc
04 went Bloc from Liberal

PEI - 4 times:
68 went PC from Liberal
74 went Liberal from PC
84 went PC from Liberal
88 went Liberal from PC

Newfoundland and Labrador - 4 times:
68 went PC from Liberal
74 went Liberal from PC
84 went PC from Liberal
88 went Liberal from PC

Saskatchewan - 3 times:
88 went NDP from PC
93 went Liberal from NDP
97 went Reform from Liberal

Alberta - 1 time:
93 went Reform from PC

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TORONTO — With a provincial election call expected soon, Alberta’s Liberal leader says he wants to boost Canada’s economy by letting other provinces profit from the oil boom.

Kevin Taft delivered his message for the Economic Club in Toronto amid speculation Alberta Premier Ed Stelmach could call an election within days.

Taft says a number of U.S. states currently process raw material from the Alberta oilsands but that work could be done elsewhere in Canada.

He says he wants Alberta’s spillover wealth from the oilsands to create jobs in this country.

Now that's a hell of a campaign speech, to bad the rest of Canada can't vote in our election. Does this idiot even know what office he's running for.

And I’d just like to thank the construction unions for there attack ads on Ed, this should be enough to help Ed get a majority again. I’m wondering if Ed will have to claim the Millions of wasted union dues, as campaign donations.

As far as the WRP goes the wheels seem to be falling off the bandwagon all ready with the President of the party quitting last week because of the in fighting going on there.

i'm sure they'd love kevin taft in toronto , but they can't vote in this election .

and whats with all these unions suddenly geting involved and running all these smear ads during provincial elections ?
they have lots of work out there , what do they have to complain about ?

Their not happy with the labour laws, I guess we have a law here which states that if the majority of the trade unions sign a new contract, anybody left without a contract can't go on strike. Last fall the Labourer's and Scaffalor's(sp) signed their contract, but the Carpenters wouldn't sign and wanted to strike and they we'ren't allowed to. They now want the labour laws changed. I would just be guessing why they wanted to go on strike in the first place. They had 3 per - election ads produced and now that the election has been announced they supposedly have new ones for the campaign time line. What picks my butt most about these ads is that they don’t say who is sponsoring them. For anybody that didn’t catch this on the news, they have no idea who is paying for them.

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The billions lost on uncollected royalties which were too low in the first place, and the piss-poor job of fixing them.
Refusing to build infrastructure in bad times because "there's no money" and when times are good refusing to build infrastructure because "it's too expensive." And even then, when they do build infrastructure they do it via P3 which is good for nothing but keeping the debt off the public books (because the passed an idiotic law making it illegal for them to run deficits) by shifting it over to private companies who make a profit on it, driving up the final price.
Promoting intensity based GHG emissions reductions that will accomplish nothing.
Getting drunk and going into homeless shelters and telling all the "bums" to "get jobs."
Deregulating electricity.
Insinuating public auto insurance would lead to a military coup (and plagiarizing while doing it to boot).
Entering into binding arbitration with the teachers' union and then refusing to adequately fund the arbiter's ruling.
Giving away thousands to golf courses in PC ridings.
Throwing a hissy fit and complaining the opposition are calling them liars when called to task on wasteful government airplane usage.
Frittering away 1.4 billion dollars on feel-good Ralph bucks.
Instituting health-care premiums which are just a flat-fee tax that goes directly into general revenue.
Pringing in publicly elected health care authorities only to then decide that that was too much democracy and appointing them.




You can't count royalties you would have never received do you think oil at 10 bucks a barrel and royalties at 20 % would have given us billions So what do you think about Tafts new plan!!!! lets see you justify that one.

Building infrastructure while being committed to pay down the debt , would have gave the opposition something else to complain about..AGW is bullshit anyways if Canadians are concerned about the environment they should clean their own back yard .

Trudeau gave us the one finger salute and people still bowed down and kissed his ass.People are human so are politicians their personalities will show through. Klein had the balls to admit he had a drinking problem I suppose you would hold that against him.



Public auto insurance is no guarantee of lower rates.

The rest of this is just your opinion and your rant.

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hurley_108 hurley_108:

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Ralph kept getting elected because Alberta never votes anything but the dominant conservative party of the day, federally or provincially. We haven't changed governments in 36 years provincially, and we haven't actively participated in a change of government federally in decades either - we've just been along for the ride.

Just to back up this point, here's a summary of provincial shifts in federal party support since '65, when we basically got the parties we still have today. In the 14 elections since 1963, every province but one has flipped from supporting one party to a different party at least three times, and three have even changed six times.

BC - 6 times:
'65 went to NDP from Liberal
'68 went Liberal from NDP
'72 went NDP from Liberal
'74 went PC from NDP
'88 went NDP from PC
'93 went Reform from NDP

Ontario - 6 times:
72 went PC from Liberal
74 went Liberal from PC
79 went PC from Liberal
80 went Liberal from PC
84 went PC from Liberal
88 went Liberal from PC

Nova Scotia - 6 times:
68 went PC from Liberal
74 went Liberal from PC
84 went PC from Liberal
88 went Liberal from PC
97 went PC from Liberal
00 went Liberal from PC

Newfoundland - 5 times:
80 went Liberal from PC
84 went PC from Liberal
88 went Liberal from PC
97 went PC from Liberal
00 went Liberal from PC

Manitoba - 4 times:
68 went Liberal from PC
72 went PC from Liberal
93 went Liberal from PC
04 went Conservative from Liberal

Quebec - 4 times:
84 went PC from Liberal
93 went Bloc from PC
00 went Liberal from Bloc
04 went Bloc from Liberal

PEI - 4 times:
68 went PC from Liberal
74 went Liberal from PC
84 went PC from Liberal
88 went Liberal from PC

Newfoundland and Labrador - 4 times:
68 went PC from Liberal
74 went Liberal from PC
84 went PC from Liberal
88 went Liberal from PC

Saskatchewan - 3 times:
88 went NDP from PC
93 went Liberal from NDP
97 went Reform from Liberal

Alberta - 1 time:
93 went Reform from PC

If Alberta had a viable opposition we would have gave them a shot.

How many opposition leaders had a plan to do anything different in the last 30 years......ZERO


Kevin Taft and Mr Mason....viable alternatives

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You can't count royalties you would have never received do you think oil at 10 bucks a barrel and royalties at 20 % would have given us billions So what do you think about Tafts new plan!!!! lets see you justify that one.

Link. I'm not talking about the days of $10/barrel oil, I'm talking recently.

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Building infrastructure while being committed to pay down the debt , would have gave the opposition something else to complain about.

Weak. Paying down the debt five or ten years slower is still paying down the debt, but you at least get the roads and schools and transit you need when you need it, not five or ten years later when you're playing catch-up.

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.AGW is bullshit anyways if Canadians are concerned about the environment they should clean their own back yard .

So why the half measures? If it's bullshit, why engage in any reductions at all? They're being incredibly dishonest by trying to claim they're doing something when in fact they're doing nothing.

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Trudeau gave us the one finger salute and people still bowed down and kissed his ass.People are human so are politicians their personalities will show through. Klein had the balls to admit he had a drinking problem I suppose you would hold that against him.

People held Trudeau to account. He was voted out in 78, and his Liberals were voted out in '84, shortly after his departure. The cult of personality surrounding Klein was absolutely bulletproof. If we turf the PCs and hand power to the Liberals on March 3, I'll eat my words, but I'm just not that optimistic.

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Public auto insurance is no guarantee of lower rates.

Whether that's true or not, the link to the 1973 overthrow of Allende is nonexistent at best, and he plagiarized to boot. But the Kult of Klein was utterly unfazed.

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The rest of this is just your opinion and your rant.

The disaster that was deregulation is opinion? Refusing to abide by the decision of binding arbitration is opinion? The punitive and fallacious health care premiums are a rant? Hell, even Special Ed has gotten on board with repealing them.

The PCs have overstayed their welcome. It's time to put an end to their reign.

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Ralph kept getting elected because Alberta never votes anything but the dominant conservative party of the day, federally or provincially. We haven't changed governments in 36 years provincially, and we haven't actively participated in a change of government federally in decades either - we've just been along for the ride.

Just to back up this point, here's a summary of provincial shifts in federal party support since '65, when we basically got the parties we still have today. In the 14 elections since 1963, every province but one has flipped from supporting one party to a different party at least three times, and three have even changed six times.

BC - 6 times:
'65 went to NDP from Liberal
'68 went Liberal from NDP
'72 went NDP from Liberal
'74 went PC from NDP
'88 went NDP from PC
'93 went Reform from NDP

Ontario - 6 times:
72 went PC from Liberal
74 went Liberal from PC
79 went PC from Liberal
80 went Liberal from PC
84 went PC from Liberal
88 went Liberal from PC

Nova Scotia - 6 times:
68 went PC from Liberal
74 went Liberal from PC
84 went PC from Liberal
88 went Liberal from PC
97 went PC from Liberal
00 went Liberal from PC

Newfoundland - 5 times:
80 went Liberal from PC
84 went PC from Liberal
88 went Liberal from PC
97 went PC from Liberal
00 went Liberal from PC

Manitoba - 4 times:
68 went Liberal from PC
72 went PC from Liberal
93 went Liberal from PC
04 went Conservative from Liberal

Quebec - 4 times:
84 went PC from Liberal
93 went Bloc from PC
00 went Liberal from Bloc
04 went Bloc from Liberal

PEI - 4 times:
68 went PC from Liberal
74 went Liberal from PC
84 went PC from Liberal
88 went Liberal from PC

Newfoundland and Labrador - 4 times:
68 went PC from Liberal
74 went Liberal from PC
84 went PC from Liberal
88 went Liberal from PC

Saskatchewan - 3 times:
88 went NDP from PC
93 went Liberal from NDP
97 went Reform from Liberal

Alberta - 1 time:
93 went Reform from PC

but what do federal shifts have to do with provincial politics ? if anything . not sure that those shifts had much effect on the provincial race.
know in ontario seems to be an odd balance where if one is in power provincially other is in federal .
examples harris pc 95-03 provincially yet chretien lib 93-04 federally
and even now have ontario liberals in provinically yet conservatives in federally .

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If Alberta had a viable opposition we would have gave them a shot.

How many opposition leaders had a plan to do anything different in the last 30 years......ZERO


Kevin Taft and Mr Mason....viable alternatives

Define "viable alternative." You've made absolutely no case as to why we shouldn't give the Liberals, or even the NDP for that matter, the government.

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Teachers absolutely do not exaggerate the amount of time spent working at home. Those who spend little to none are the freeloaders who folks like you always bitch about not being able to fire.

Yeah thats right it comes along with the "collective agreement" and the "collective barganing" unions always rave about. Treat them all the same.!

Teachers should receive merit pay and be rewarded for outstanding achievements, and the crappy ones should also be hit in the wallet and pushed out the door..


We know the teachers union would never agree to that so suffer one suffer all its "overwhelmingly accepted" (unions like that word)

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but what do federal shifts have to do with provincial politics ? if anything . not sure that those shifts had much effect on the provincial race.
know in ontario seems to be an odd balance where if one is in power provincially other is in federal .
examples harris pc 95-03 provincially yet chretien lib 93-04 federally
and even now have ontario liberals in provinically yet conservatives in federally .

It shows that Alberta has the poorest record of all provinces of holding their elected politicians to account. I'm not linking provinicial parties to federal patries, or comparing who's in favor provincially versus federally at a given time. I'm showing that Alberta has collectively engaged in just one switch from one party to another at either level in the last 36 years, when they dumped the PCs in favour of Reform in 93. I'm showing that it is Albertans who are the mindless sheep voting for the same old people election after election after election.

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ryan29 ryan29:

but what do federal shifts have to do with provincial politics ? if anything . not sure that those shifts had much effect on the provincial race.
know in ontario seems to be an odd balance where if one is in power provincially other is in federal .
examples harris pc 95-03 provincially yet chretien lib 93-04 federally
and even now have ontario liberals in provinically yet conservatives in federally .

It shows that Alberta has the poorest record of all provinces of holding their elected politicians to account. I'm not linking provinicial parties to federal patries, or comparing who's in favor provincially versus federally at a given time. I'm showing that Alberta has collectively engaged in just one switch from one party to another at either level in the last 36 years, when they dumped the PCs in favour of Reform in 93. I'm showing that it is Albertans who are the mindless sheep voting for the same old people election after election after election.

If Albertans are so pissed at their gov't how come the opposition can't get them to the polls.....easy there is no viable opposition. http://www.electionsalberta.ab.ca/Publi ... te/750.htm

Notice the big drop the longer Ralph was in Albertans liked Ralph so did the media

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If Albertans are so pissed at their gov't how come the opposition can't get them to the polls.....easy there is no viable opposition. http://www.electionsalberta.ab.ca/Publi ... te/750.htm

Define "viable opposition," and show how the Liberals and NDP fail to meet it.

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If Albertans are so pissed at their gov't how come the opposition can't get them to the polls.....easy there is no viable opposition. http://www.electionsalberta.ab.ca/Publi ... te/750.htm

Define "viable opposition," and show how the Liberals and NDP fail to meet it.

no plan...no plan...no plan no plan..... no plan..... I'm still waiting for someone else to reveal the fucking plan in that piece of shit commercial.. There's your union dues hard at work


Kevin Taft...."this gov't is tired..it has no ideas"

"this gov't is so tired..it has no ideas" repetative in that monotone voice


I wish I had a nickel every time I heard Taft say that, his plan or his ideas never followed that statement.


Now we see he's making it up on a daily basis...."lower royalty rates on gas" let's here you justify that one.

Taft isn't even a good critic why the hell should we let him run the province, him and Dion are very similar.

Let the NDP run the province??????? fuck I would move to Newfoundland with all the ones that would be returning.

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If Albertans are so pissed at their gov't how come the opposition can't get them to the polls.....easy there is no viable opposition. http://www.electionsalberta.ab.ca/Publi ... te/750.htm

Define "viable opposition," and show how the Liberals and NDP fail to meet it.

no plan...no plan...no plan no plan..... no plan..... I'm still waiting for someone else to reveal the fucking plan in that piece of shit commercial.. There's your union dues hard at work

Point? You yourself here admit that this is an ad put out by a union, not one of the opposition parties. How does it say anything one way or the other about the opposition parties' "viability"?

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Kevin Taft...."this gov't is tired..it has no ideas"

"this gov't is so tired..it has no ideas" repetative in that monotone voice


I wish I had a nickel every time I heard Taft say that, his plan or his ideas never followed that statement.


Now we see he's making it up on a daily basis...."lower royalty rates on gas" let's here you justify that one.

Taft isn't even a good critic why the hell should we let him run the province, him and Dion are very similar.

So a "viable opposition" is one that effectively criticizes the government, and the Liberals aren't it because you think you've never heard Taft say anything but "this gov't is tired..it has no ideas"? Is that it? Weak.