[kevlarman]

$1:

But the outcome of any grand jury deliberations may have been foreshadowed on Tuesday, when seven candidates in next Saturday's election for the new mayor of Pasadena were asked about Horn's fate during a debate, and none of them said he should face prosecution for his actions on Nov. 14.

That quote pretty much foreshadows what I think will happen. And don't believe the media, there ain't a lot of hand-wringing over all this. Most folks here have formed a definate opinion of what happened but they aren't going to go much further than that. Only those wishing political gain or the media spotlight are really going with this.

[dog77_1999]

I honestly can't see these charges standing up. A good lawyer(which he will get through a defence fund being raised) will be able to prove that he was defending himself and property.

[Tricks]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

Tricks Tricks:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

RUEZ RUEZ:

Tricks Tricks:

tritium tritium:

I'm all for defending my own home.

But if someone is breaking into my neighbors home, I will call the police.

This could have turned out even more tragic. What if Mr. Horn went over to stop the intruders and the actual home owner thought he was a burgler and shot him.

Let the Police deal with it, they are the professionals. (most of the time)

The home owner wasn't there...

But you raise an interesting point, what if he was there, and Mr. Horn went over to help the guy out, for fear of him not being able to protect himself? What would you guys say then?

It's an entirely different story if you are protecting someone. Let's not muddy the waters with what if's.

"What if"s are Tricks' specialty.

And apparently being a dick is yours.

Dude, you "what if"ed the insurance thread into a discussion about racism in the courts. I'm just stating the facts.

It`s called an analogy, you chose to follow it.

[kevlarman]

Time will tell, but I won't hold my breath for anything severe to happen to this man.

[uwish]

While I do not argue with him getting involved as he witnessed a crime, he needs to prove that those fleeing robbers were a threat to his life. Anyone in the US or Canada that WITNESSES a crime has the SAME POWERS OF ARREST as any peace officer.

In Canada, the Criminal Code further allows you to take "any and all action YOU deem necessary to detain the individual until the authorities arrive"

That does NOT mean shooting them! Unless they pulled out a weapon, gun, knife etc and you feared for your life. If you see no such weapon, all you can do is chase and tackle them. That is why we have police, they have more "tools" to chase and tackle people, they have tazors, batons and dogs!!

So, my point? This guys needs to PROVE that he FEARED for his life before discharging his firearm. If he can't do that, they charge him with murder!

[Heavy_Metal]

RUEZ RUEZ:

This guy should go to jail for first degree murder. He was itching to kill someone and he intervened in something that didn't affect him directly. I'm all for protecting yourself, but like the dispatcher said, no ones property is worth killing over. Stupid old man.

second

"if you're claiming self-defense, you can't announce ahead of time you're going outside to shoot somebody", retarded old man.

[BartSimpson]

uwish uwish:

So, my point? This guys needs to PROVE that he FEARED for his life before discharging his firearm. If he can't do that, they charge him with murder!

Not really, Texas enacted what's called "Castle Doctirne" that says that once those criminals came onto the man's property that he had no legal obligation to retreat from them and that he does not have to prove his life was at threat before he acted. Texas law assumes such a threat with their criminal presence.

This will certainly be a test case for Castle Doctrine.

[tritium]

Houston DA receives Joe Horn Death Threat - Castle Law

$1:

"Don't worry about my name, What you better do, you better indict Joe Horn. If you don't, somebody is going to kill him, and if he goes to prison, he's going to be killed on the inside. They are waiting on him in prison, and we're waiting on him on the outside." Death threat to Joe Horn received by the Harris County District Attorney's Public Integrity Division.

So what has Joe Horn gained from our racist Texas Libertarian NRA gunoonery which caused him to shoot and kill a couple unarmed black men in the back?

1. Undue stress caused him to leave his home to whereabouts unknown.
2. He has turned his quiet neighborhood into a circus of angry Bikers, racists, Black activists and the media attention.
3. He will probably never be able to return to his home.
4. He has gained hero status with the dregs of American humanity.
5. His retirement money is now going to lawyers rather than ammo.
6. He will probably be indicted for homicide of one sort or another.
7. His photo is all over the world depicting a fat little old racist back shooter.
8. His entire life has gone to Hell in a Hand basket.
9. And now another dreg of humanity threatens to keep the circle of vengeance going.

Gosh, being a gunloon sure makes life better for everyone doanyaknow.

Source for article above: http://www.rackjite.com/

Thought it was interesting.

I haven't heard the recording but some news agencies are running the 911 tapes and on Fox New rumor is they beeped out the part where Joe Horn says; "I'm going out to get those to n-word."

So is this becoming more of a rasical fight or self defense.

Has anyone heard the 911 tapes, please share a link.

[Tricks]

Wow, Tritium blowing something out of proportion, and believing rumors to suit his need. Incredible.

[RUEZ]

Tricks Tricks:

Wow, Tritium blowing something out of proportion, and believing rumors to suit his need. Incredible.

It's what he does.

[Chumley]

Out of curiosity, have there been any similar incidents where the criminals and shooter were of the same race? If so, what were the reactions? Would this be as huge an issue if the two burglars had been white?

[Tricks]

Chumley Chumley:

Out of curiosity, have there been any similar incidents where the criminals and shooter were of the same race? If so, what were the reactions? Would this be as huge an issue if the two burglars had been white?

No. Racists like to claim racism.

[Chumley]

lily lily:

Chumley Chumley:

Out of curiosity, have there been any similar incidents where the criminals and shooter were of the same race? If so, what were the reactions? Would this be as huge an issue if the two burglars had been white?

I don't recall race being mentioned when the story first came out.

Exactly. But it has become a huge race issue. It is not just a case of a guy shooting two burglers anymore. It is impossible to say whether this same man would have shot two white burglers, but what have been the reactions in situations like I mentioned above?

[Chumley]

sorry lily, I edited my last post while you were replying.

[Chumley]

lily lily:

Yes, but it was a big issue even brfore race was mentioned.

Here, anyway. I don't know about Texas.

Actually, race did get mentioned in a round about way right off the bat.
The article stated they were illegal aliens and stated the names of the burglers which aren't exactly white bread.
It doesn't state outright that they weren't white, but it is implied very distinctly.