[N_Fiddledog]

llama66 llama66:

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2019/11/fabricland-files-for-bankruptcy-after-biggest-customer-fired-from-coachs-corner/

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2019/11/fa ... hs-corner/



That one's funny. This one below isn't but I like it too.

Leftist Elites Distorted & Falsified Don Cherry’s Comments, Then Attacked Their Own Distortions & Falsifications

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A tactic often seen by the corrupt leftist elites as they attempt to manipulate people.
Don Cherry’s firing represents the disturbing and despicable ‘triumph’ of an oft-used leftist tactic:

Take someone’s remarks, distort them into what you wish they had actually said, and then attack the distorted new remarks you made up.

For example, Cherry has been attacked for ‘racist comments,’ and for apparently saying ‘people of colour didn’t contribute as Veterans.’ Peter Mansbridge even wrote an article for CBC that had a subheading implying Cherry had said all Canadian Veterans were white.

Except, Cherry didn’t even come close to saying any of the things above.
NOT EVEN CLOSE.

Yet, that fact didn’t stop the corrupt establishment media elites from simply pretending that Cherry did say those things, then attacking him for saying things he didn’t say, and then getting him fired after generating an outraged reaction to his made up comments.

“CBC in a nutshell: lie about what Cherry said, invent a narrative, then challenge their own invented narrative.

If you are wear a poppy and support our troops, Don Cherry was not talking about you!!”

It’s a disgusting tactic, and it’s one the left loves using more and more – because it works.

The elites count on the weakness of corporate CEOs, who simply panic at the first sign of controversy and desperately try to make it go away.

That’s what happened to Cherry, as Sportsnet and Ron MacLean threw Cherry under the bus before there could even be a sustained pushback against the false narrative the leftist elites pushed.

At this point of course, it’s inevitable that common sense Canadians will have no choice but to use those same tactics to push back and stop this elitist insanity.

https://www.spencerfernando.com/2019/11 ... fications/

[DrCaleb]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

To show coaches corner repeatedly after Cherry said "you people" shows just how much of a hatchet job this really was.

Claiming he only said "You People" is the hatchet job. He said "You people, you come here . . " leaving little doubt as to which people he is referring to. He's talking about immigrants.

[DrCaleb]

herbie herbie:

Oh FFS you buttheads insisting this PC shit is all "leftist".
Didn't get any better under Reagan or Bush did it? Or under Mulroney or Harper.

Actually, it's kind of funny the same people offended by Trudeau's 'Brown Face Moment' are standing up for Don Cherry doing the exact same thing, because they like him.

[Thanos]

And those most offended by what Don said are also most likely the ones who gave a full pass to Trudeau on the blackface idiocy - "hey, he was only 29, he didn't know what he was doing!". The usual vicious circle of Canadian stupidity in action.

Anyhoo, here's what some actual soldiers think about the episode:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/don-cher ... -1.5357221

I agree with what the one lad said - wearing or not wearing a poppy is not indicative of how much someone does or does not support military personnel. I've been getting wary the last few years of how the poppy has become politicized and weaponized for the non-stop culture war. It's kind of disgusting. And so too is the growth of the apparent belief that Remembrance Day isn't about remembering the fallen and showing gratitude towards those to serve. To some it's become something similar to how the North Koreans do a collective freak-out when Dear Leader dies in that if someone isn't publicly grieving enough, with not enough histrionic weeping or mourning, that means they're a non-supporter. That's total garbage and it's totally unbecoming. It's as bad as the left-wing prats trying to hijack the day with their white poppy pacifist crap, or some dipshits from the NDP saying the day glorifies war like at least two of their candidates in the last Ontario provincial election said on Twitter and got properly roasted for doing.

Guess this is just the way it is now. Everything becomes exhaustingly political, which just drains more significance out of the moment and out of the country too.

[DrCaleb]

Thanos Thanos:

Guess this is just the way it is now. Everything becomes exhaustingly political, which just drains more significance out of the moment and out of the country too.

Much like how Colin Kapernick taking a knee to protest black people getting killed by police morphed into an assault on the flag and the US military.

Everything is too politicized.

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N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

bootlegga bootlegga:

Cherry was given the chance to clarify or correct what he said, and he chose not to.

Not according to him he wasn't. Not by Sportsnet. Why? Does CBC have some conveniently edited clip, or something?

On Sunday night, Cherry did an interview with a Toronto talk radio show where he refused to apologize or even clarify what he meant, and early the next morning, he got fired.

His 'repentance' that you posted (such as it is), didn't air until AFTER he got fired. Even then, he said he'd 'rather go out on his shield then become a simp.'

Pride goeth before the fall.

Frankly, it's too bad, because even though his hockey advice was crap, I did like that he was a huge booster for the Armed Forces, kids with terminal disease, and all the rest. His advocacy was great, but going after immigrants in 2019 is unacceptable, plain and simple.

[Thanos]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Much like how Colin Kapernick taking a knee to protest black people getting killed by police morphed into an assault on the flag and the US military.

Everything is too politicized.

All that hate-radio, cable news, and the internet have succeeded in doing is in creating an entire demographic of hyper-sensitive jerks who are ready, willing, and able to jump down anyone else's throat over the smallest and most insignificant things.

As for Don, I'll keep in mind that he's really very old now and took way too many punches/pucks to the head himself back when he was young. Wouldn't be surprised if there's a diagnosis of partial age/injury-related dementia going on there with him, given how increasingly incoherent and rambling he's gotten in the last half-decade at least. Some of his previous targets gave up caring what he said about anything a long time ago because, in reality, he never was all that significant a voice anyway:

https://vancouversun.com/news/a-nationa ... b0757e7750

The mistake too many made with Don was that he was never supposed to be taken seriously. He was a mediocre player and a one-time coach so his game analysis was never worth considering at all. His thoughts on hockey were never more informative than what a prick like Donald Trump thinks about football or boxing. The purpose of Coaches Corner was for comedy, even if Don was unaware of it himself. Cherry had really only been doing a Grampa Simpson routine for the better part of thirty-five years. It's kind of really lame for anyone to get this worked up about some old grouch with a big mouth.

[bootlegga]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

To show coaches corner repeatedly after Cherry said "you people" shows just how much of a hatchet job this really was. Sportsnet wanted to get rid of Cherry years ago and when hockey fans wouldn't let them they patiently waited till they got the chance to use his poor choice of words to create faux outrage and shit can him. Talk about a duplicitous bunch of assholes.

But here's a thought. If Sportsnet really wanted to be fair, they should hold a poll to see if hockey fans want Don Cherry fired for his comments on Saturday night or not. But we all know that won't happen and if people believe that Don Cherry was fired for calling out people who don't wear a poppy, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn they might be interested in.

Cherry wasn't shitcanned because he berated people for not wearing poppies, he was fired because he went after immigrants. It wasn't 'you people' that pissed everyone off, it was the 'you come here' bit that was offensive.

Complaining about 'immigints' might have been okay when he was growing up, hell, it might even have been okay when he was coaching, but in 2019, it is not acceptable one bit.

[llama66]

Don was out of his lane with his statements. He could have berated us all for not wearing a poppy, I would have been fine with that. His phrasing of “You people that come here … whatever it is, you love our way of life, you love our milk and honey, at least you could pay a couple of bucks for a poppy,” put it over the top. I get freedom of thought, and expression and all that other jazz but you plain can't seemingly attack a group of people on HNIC.

I respect Don Cherry, but he needed to go. He had become out of step with the modern iteration of Hockey.

[DrCaleb]

Thanos Thanos:

All that hate-radio, cable news, and the internet have succeeded in doing is in creating an entire demographic of hyper-sensitive jerks who are ready, willing, and able to jump down anyone else's throat over the smallest and most insignificant things.

The divisiveness only divides us more. This is Twitter's business model.


And for the record, I never took Cherry seriously. I watched a 'Rock'em Sock'em' once, back when I was reffing minor hockey, and thought "Great, this is what they need to learn."

llama66 llama66:

I get freedom of thought, and expression and all that other jazz but you plain can't seemingly attack a group of people on HNIC.

We enjoy the right to freedom of expression, but hate speech is not free speech. He could have owned up to his mistake, but that isn't the Don Cherry we have come to know.

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[Freakinoldguy]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

herbie herbie:

Oh FFS you buttheads insisting this PC shit is all "leftist".
Didn't get any better under Reagan or Bush did it? Or under Mulroney or Harper.

Actually, it's kind of funny the same people offended by Trudeau's 'Brown Face Moment' are standing up for Don Cherry doing the exact same thing, because they like him.

You know what else that's really funny is the fact that the same people who defended Colin Kapernick and his rights to free speech are now attacking Don Cherry for his.

So, I'll reiterate. As an NFL player or an NHL commentator you're using someone else's intellectual property to make your living and as such you have to respect the image they want to project and their personal beliefs whether you agree with them or not.

So, if you want to go off the rails, you have to expect consequences and both of them lost their jobs because of that fact.

The only difference is that unlike Kapernick who was censured almost immediately CBC and Sportsnet allowed Don Cherry decades of rants against everything from soup to nuts because he brought ratings. A fact which means they tacitly agreed to give him his forum.

Then, when the winds of PC correctness changed they got antsy about him offending the new woke crowd which might affect their bottom line. So, they waited till he said something that could be interpreted as racist or insensitive and then used it as the hatchet to chop his troublesome head off.

No muss no fuss, no job. But if you think people are happy about this or disagree with his assessment of people wearing the poppy just look at the number of people who have signed the petitions to get him his job back.

[DrCaleb]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

herbie herbie:

Oh FFS you buttheads insisting this PC shit is all "leftist".
Didn't get any better under Reagan or Bush did it? Or under Mulroney or Harper.

Actually, it's kind of funny the same people offended by Trudeau's 'Brown Face Moment' are standing up for Don Cherry doing the exact same thing, because they like him.

You know what else that's really funny is the fact that the same people who defended Colin Kapernick and his rights to free speech are now attacking Don Cherry for his.

Again, hate speech is not free speech. Equating the two events is a bit of a stretch. Kapernick was protesting his right to life, Cherry was disparaging immigrants. Not even the same thing.

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

So, I'll reiterate. As an NFL player or an NHL commentator you're using someone else's intellectual property to make your living and as such you have to respect the image they want to project and their personal beliefs whether you agree with them or not.

So, if you want to go off the rails, you have to expect consequences and both of them lost their jobs because of that fact.

The only difference is that unlike Kapernick who was censured almost immediately CBC and Sportsnet allowed Don Cherry decades of rants against everything from soup to nuts because he brought ratings. A fact which means they tacitly agreed to give him his forum.

Then, when the winds of PC correctness changed they got antsy about him offending the new woke crowd which might affect their bottom line. So, they waited till he said something that could be interpreted as racist or insensitive and then used it as the hatchet to chop his troublesome head off.

No muss no fuss, no job.

I've never written any different. I just wrote that the Kapernick affair has been tainted by so much disinformation that it hardly resembles the original event. Just like this whole Cherry affair. We have the video. We have the transcript. Why is there any debate at all about what he said?

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

But if you think people are happy about this or disagree with his assessment of people wearing the poppy just look at the number of people who have signed the petitions to get him his job back.

Even though I am a Legion Member, I'll leave the comments to what some veterans have to say.

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"I cringed in the sense that, I totally understood his motivation and his devotion and support to the Canadian Armed Forces — fallen and alive. I just think there was a much better way to say it."

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"I don't think he's realized how much military has changed over the last decade or two," he said, in terms of how many people of diverse colour and creed, both male and female, are serving in all branches of the military.

"And not only [those] born in Canada but from abroad. Who've come to this country and have taken an oath to our country and [are] serving this newfound home of theirs."

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Retired warrant officer Nathan Sylvester echoed that sentiment. He says if someone chooses to wear a poppy, great. And if not, that's their choice. But he did agree with part of Cherry's message.

"There seems to definitely be a decline within the population of people wearing a poppy around Remembrance Day."

Sylvester, 39, thinks Coach's Corner wasn't necessarily the right forum for Cherry to express his personal opinion about it, but he says, he also doesn't think Cherry meant to attack anyone.

"The message to me was more about, you know, wear a poppy show support. Not, you know, who is or who isn't wearing a poppy."

. ..

"Just because somebody is not wearing a poppy on their on their jacket or their shirt or wherever doesn't mean that they're not going to be at a Remembrance Day ceremony... it doesn't mean that they don't support veterans and soldiers."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/don-cher ... -1.5357221

[Freakinoldguy]

You're missing the point. I was attempting to explain why it was a hatchet job by sportsnet and why both he and Kapnernick,lost their jobs.

When I was in the Navy I wasn't allowed to go around spouting "my opinion" on any topic related to the military because it wasn't my place to use their intellectual property to espouse my own beliefs or feelings, it was the Navy's and I would have been hung out to dry had I done anything so stupid.

But, by the same token they didn't give me 40 years of free reign to do just that and then pull the rug out from under my feet, hence the hatchet job claim.

It's the same with Kapernick and Cherry, both of them used someone else's intellectual property to air their own opinions and got burned for doing so which is only fair.

As for no discussion about what Cherry said. If you read the comments, his choice of words is apparently open to interpretation especially since he explained his faux pas in that interview. And for the record in a way he did apologize when he said he misspoke about "you people" and "come over here" because he wanted everyone to wear a poppy.

I get that you hate Don Cherry but it doesn't take away from the fact that his fate was sealed over a decade ago and his new bosses just needed the right excuse to carry out the execution.

BTW why would Rogers lose their mind over Cherry insulting immigrants and then turn right around and fire Don Cherry on Remembrance Day? A day that's set aside to honour the people who gave their lives for everything we hold dear. IMO it's a direct slap in the face of the Veterans and servicemen Cherry continually championed. Would it have made any difference for Rogers to wait a day so as not to detract from Remembrance Day?

[llama66]

the timing WAS terrible. His firing would have been just as final had it come on the 12th or even today.