[N_Fiddledog]

Incidents like the below also happened.

See any Tiki torches?

Got a pic of somebody being harmed by a Tiki torch?

No? And yet that's all you seem to know about. Why is that, do you think?

[N_Fiddledog]

Coach85 Coach85:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

She did die of a heart attack. Blunt force trauma death is death after cardiac arrest.

Just stop.

Cardiac arrest and heart attack aren't the same things!

Oh for God's sake. When Heather Heyer's mother is telling NBC her daughter died of a heart attack, she not concerned if it's a circulation or an electrical problem.

Somebody official told her something and she heard heart attack.

And whether it was circulation or electric caused heart failure (which btw I do know is also a technical term for something specific) doesn't discredit the more important point it was her heart that killed her.

I suggest her smoking and obesity will still make it into the conversation when this case comes to court. There is nothing in it being circulation or electric that necessitates her being struck by a car.

You getting yourself all wrapped up in these technicalities and confusing your little mind into thinking they have some significance.

[N_Fiddledog]

But if you want to get technical, tell me this Doctor Coach...

If a hockey puck to the chest can put an athlete into cardiac arrest, could an elbow to the chest from a panicking crowd do the same to an obese smoker? How about falling on a curb and getting stepped on? How about being smashed in the chest by some alt-left nimrod who thinks he's doing CPR?

[Coach85]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

But if you want to get technical, tell me this Doctor Coach...

If a hockey puck to the chest can put an athlete into cardiac arrest, could an elbow to the chest from a panicking crowd do the same to an obese smoker? How about falling on a curb and getting stepped on? How about being smashed in the chest by some alt-left nimrod who thinks he's doing CPR?

Yes, it could. Even a ball hitting the right spot could cause cardiac arrest to a normal healthy person.

Any of that could have happened and that will be flushed out in court.

FWIW, The differences between a heart attack and cardiac arrest aren't technicalities. Two completely different events. Little mind? Coming from the guy who thought the two were the same, I'll take that with a grain of salt.

On the mother, you don't know who told her what. You don't know 'someone official' told her that her daughter had a heart attack even before her body was examined by the ME's office. You've made that assumption. An incorrect assumption.

[N_Fiddledog]

Coach85 Coach85:

On the mother, you don't know who told her what. You don't know 'someone official' told her that her daughter had a heart attack even before her body was examined by the ME's office. You've made that assumption. An incorrect assumption.

Somebody told Heather Heyer's mother something that led her to tell NBC on camera that her daughter died of a heart attack.

I don't know if that "somebody" was an official and you don't know if it can be proven a car struck her.

Which of us is the better guesser? I say me.

[Coach85]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Coach85 Coach85:

On the mother, you don't know who told her what. You don't know 'someone official' told her that her daughter had a heart attack even before her body was examined by the ME's office. You've made that assumption. An incorrect assumption.

Somebody told Heather Heyer's mother something that led her to tell NBC on camera that her daughter died of a heart attack.

Possibly. Or she may have been emotional due to the death of her child and assumed, like you did, that cardiac arrest = heart attack. It's a common misconception.

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

I don't know if that "somebody" was an official and you don't know if it can be proven a car struck her.

Which of us is the better guesser? I say me.

I'm not in the business of guessing. If the ME's Office said she died due to BFT, I'll take them at their word. It would be one hell of a coincidence if she died due to a random elbow to the chest right around the same time a vehicle plowed through the crowd and tossed bodies around like rag dolls.

[Thanos]

Guess it was only a matter of time before Fiddy & Friends got as close as they could to using the same tactics normally associated with Holocaust deniers.

[N_Fiddledog]

Coach85 Coach85:

I'm not in the business of guessing.

No? Then you, of course, have evidence that Heather Heyer could only have been struck by a car?

Oh, oops, pardon me. Then you say:

$1:

It would be one hell of a coincidence if she died due to a random elbow to the chest right around the same time a vehicle plowed through the crowd and tossed bodies around like rag dolls.

So you are guessing then.

Coincidence though? Have you ever been in a panicking crowd? As I told you there is some vague, fuzzy video evidence that Heather Heyer was knocked down by the crowd at the spot she can later be seen getting worked on by roadside, self-appointed, trauma experts.

It's about twenty feet back of the spot where she was last seen clearly. So if that is her, how did she get there? Judging by her girth I'm going to guess she wasn't dragged there.

She was in the middle of a crowd. Why does she seem to be the only one laying at that spot?

Farther up the sidewalk we see the bouncy girl in the green shirt your "credible moderate" media insinuated was Heather (it wasn't), but that's it.

[N_Fiddledog]

Thanos Thanos:

Guess it was only a matter of time before Fiddy & Friends got as close as they could to using the same tactics normally associated with Holocaust deniers.

Not at all, T. Think Nuremberg.

I'm saying there's a trial coming and we'll see all the evidence. Not just the cherry-picked bits rife with insinuation you've seen. I'm saying it may not be to your liking.

You're saying you already know the outcome. You don't need to see the whole evidence.

So who's got the conspiracy, really?

It's you, Bud.

[Thanos]

Sure thing, gaslighter.

[N_Fiddledog]

Thanos Thanos:

Sure thing, gaslighter.

Is it gaslighting if you really are nuts?

J/K

[Thanos]

Yeah yeah yeah, whatever. No matter how much you keep playing around with the background there are only four lights, and there will always be only four lights.

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

Yeah yeah yeah, whatever. No matter how much you keep playing around with the background there are only four lights, and there will always be only four lights.

I see five.

[Zipperfish]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

...Right wing seething hate and garble...

Well there's all the video of the car running into that crowd. And then there's the ME conclusion that she died of blunt force trauma. But if you choose to believe that she happened to have a heart attack at that exact moment because she was fat, there's really not much else I can say.

[N_Fiddledog]

Yeah...I didn't say that Zip, but I'm thinking now about something that actually does matter.

I think Fields is to enter a plea in a couple weeks or so.

What do I say if he cops to a guilty plea?

Blame the lawyer, I guess. He'd have to have a terrible lawyer.

And that makes me think of something that might actually connect to the topic of this thread. In general it concerns this business of far-right and fascists needing anti-fascists, and such.

If this guy can only get a lawyer so lame he cops to a 2nd degree murder charge what does that say about this massive far-right movement the managed media narrative tells us we're in the middle of.

Hell, I was reading at another thread where even this guy who should know better was like this over the "fascists" he thought were under his bed, so to speak.

Now when I look up these white nationalist organizations like the one Fields belongs to they seem small, scattered, dysfunctional if not outright impotent, but we're supposed to believe they're some kind giant violent and dangerous mass, gathering strength with each passing day.

If true though, and this guy pleads guilty, why can't they afford to get him a better lawyer?