[DrCaleb]

herbie herbie:

WTF has Islam got to do with the damn Haitians?

As usual, they fail to see that they are doing the same thing to these Hatians as they do to other refugees. They paint with broad strokes, and use the graffiti they created to stereotype the rest.

These Hatians are gaming the system. It will backfire on them. In the mean time, there are actual refugees that need actual protection, but the alt-right will use the Hatians as an example of bad behavior reflecting on all refugees. That leads them to their knee jerk favourite topic, Muslims and Islam.

They ass-u-me that Muslims are gaming the system too, and since they all want to kill us, then the Hatians do too. And then somehow it's immigrants and economic migrants too, because they are exactly the same as refugees. Or something like that, I have a hard time understanding the logic.

[BRAH]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

BRAH BRAH:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Yet, it's you shouting 'racist'. Islam is not a race, BTW.

You're playing the race card, it's what socialists do please continue.

I never mentioned 'race'. It's a concept I don't subscribe to. 'Human' is the only race I recognize.

Incorrectly pigeonholing and discounting a person based on that incorrect assessment is what tightie righties do.

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Stop living in your bubble and start living in the real World.

[martin14]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

These Hatians are gaming the system. It will backfire on them.

I will trust you to post all the stories of the Haitians being put on planes
and deported.

Because I am never able to find those stories,
I guess it must be because they don't exist.

They are gaming the system because they know they will win.
Have you noticed they don't seem to be running to Mexico for asylum ?
Why is that ?

[Robair]

martin14 martin14:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

These Hatians are gaming the system. It will backfire on them.

I will trust you to post all the stories of the Haitians being put on planes
and deported.

Because I am never able to find those stories,
I guess it must be because they don't exist.

At the time, news reports stated that approximately 3,200 Haitian nationals could be deported from Canada as the result of the program ending. Immigration experts say that many of them have since been sent back.

Canada deports people all the fucking time. It generates quite a few news stories of "last ditch efforts to stay" etc. Most of these people crossing the border won't be staying, whether it fits your narrative or not.

Any that are true refugees should not be thrown out with the rest.

[DrCaleb]

BRAH BRAH:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

BRAH BRAH:

You're playing the race card, it's what socialists do please continue.

I never mentioned 'race'. It's a concept I don't subscribe to. 'Human' is the only race I recognize.

Incorrectly pigeonholing and discounting a person based on that incorrect assessment is what tightie righties do.

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Stop living in your bubble and start living in the real World.

Stop posting irrelevant images and stand behind your comments.

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

All you had to do is read the first page of the Anti-Muslim thread to know they don't know the difference. Nor can they tell between the Radicals and Muslims. It's like judging Christians based solely on the Westboro Baptists.

Explain to the class how that statement is 'racist'. Use your words.

(IE: try not to post that Southpark orgasm picture)

[DrCaleb]

Robair Robair:

martin14 martin14:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

These Hatians are gaming the system. It will backfire on them.

I will trust you to post all the stories of the Haitians being put on planes
and deported.

Because I am never able to find those stories,
I guess it must be because they don't exist.

At the time, news reports stated that approximately 3,200 Haitian nationals could be deported from Canada as the result of the program ending. Immigration experts say that many of them have since been sent back.

Canada deports people all the fucking time. It generates quite a few news stories of "last ditch efforts to stay" etc. Most of these people crossing the border won't be staying, whether it fits your narrative or not.

Any that are true refugees should not be thrown out with the rest.

Just because it doesn't get posted here, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

[martin14]

Robair Robair:

Any that are true refugees should not be thrown out with the rest.

Notice what has changed....

$1:

And yet, when it comes to Haitians now coming into Canada, the Trudeau government is rolling out the red carpet and allowing misleading information to spread.

Instead of telling all asylum seekers from Haiti that they will very likely be deported, the Trudeau government is setting up impromptu welcome stations along the border and shuttling asylum claimants to Montreal – a self-styled sanctuary city.

But Canada routinely rejects most asylum claims filed by Haitians. In the first half of 2015, the last year data is available, the acceptance rate for asylum claimants from Haiti was only 38%.

Rather than clarifying misinformation about our immigration laws, Trudeau is reinforcing these myths. His government’s welcome wagon is misleading Haitian migrants and giving them false hope about their future in Canada.

False hope ?
Watch for the rules to be changed.
I'll wait for the stories to be posted.
38% is 38% too much, but lots of illegals will try anyway.

[DrCaleb]

da..da.da..daa . . . newsflash, this just in . . .politicians lie . . . de.da...da... film at 11.

[Robair]

martin14 martin14:

False hope ?
Watch for the rules to be changed.
I'll wait for the stories to be posted.
38% is 38% too much, but lots of illegals will try anyway.

So 38% of the people claiming to be refugees were deemed to actually be refugees.

Kindly explain to me what you think the difference is between a refugee, an immigrant and an illegal? I guess?

Or if that's too hard, just give me your definition of a refugee.

[martin14]

Robair Robair:

martin14 martin14:

False hope ?
Watch for the rules to be changed.
I'll wait for the stories to be posted.
38% is 38% too much, but lots of illegals will try anyway.

So 38% of the people claiming to be refugees were deemed to actually be refugees.

Kindly explain to me what you think the difference is between a refugee, an immigrant and an illegal? I guess?

Or if that's too hard, just give me your definition of a refugee.

Why bother, for you they are all the same.

Entering the country illegally should be automatic deportation.

[DrCaleb]

martin14 martin14:

Robair Robair:

So 38% of the people claiming to be refugees were deemed to actually be refugees.

Kindly explain to me what you think the difference is between a refugee, an immigrant and an illegal? I guess?

Or if that's too hard, just give me your definition of a refugee.

Why bother, for you they are all the same.

Entering the country illegally should be automatic deportation.

The problem then is that sometimes, refugees have no choice but to enter illegally. And that's the loophole the Haitians and others are exploiting. International law requires signatory countries to allow a person crossing illegally and claiming refugee status to have a hearing to determine whether they are actually refugees.

Often, someone being persecuted for religious, political or reasons of sexual orientation can't enter a country legally because they can't leave their country legally. So they get their day in court, and often are deported because they are not refugees.

[Robair]

ref·u·gee
ˌrefyo͝oˈjē
noun
a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster.

Sound like somebody who has the luxury of filing paperwork and waiting?

[martin14]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

The problem then is that sometimes, refugees have no choice but to enter illegally. And that's the loophole the Haitians and others are exploiting. International law requires signatory countries to allow a person crossing illegally and claiming refugee status to have a hearing to determine whether they are actually refugees.

Often, someone being persecuted for religious, political or reasons of sexual orientation can't enter a country legally because they can't leave their country legally. So they get their day in court, and often are deported because they are not refugees.

The Haitians are exploiting a known mess in our country.
Because they are being told do it that way.
They KNOW exactly what they are doing.
They KNOW if they go to the border post, like they are supposed to,
they'll get refused.

And that doesn't set off something in your head, before they have even
entered the country, they are perfectly happy to break our rules ?

Your leaving the country illegally does not apply in this case at all.

Robair Robair:

Sound like somebody who has the luxury of filing paperwork and waiting?

So we're agreed there is no war, persecution, and the earthquake
was a long itme ago.

So, none of them are refugees. They are illegal economic migrants,
out for a bit of country shopping.

[Robair]

They won't be staying. But you can't just shut the border to anybody making a refugee claim.

They'll get to state their case and then they'll be on their way.

[DrCaleb]

martin14 martin14:

The Haitians are exploiting a known mess in our country.
Because they are being told do it that way.
They KNOW exactly what they are doing.
They KNOW if they go to the border post, like they are supposed to,
they'll get refused.

And that doesn't set off something in your head, before they have even
entered the country, they are perfectly happy to break our rules ?

Your leaving the country illegally does not apply in this case at all.

Like Rob says, there are other standards to be a refugee. 'Natural Disaster' is another. And no, it doesn't set of things in my head. I know we operate by the rule of law. I know that these people are being arrested as they cross the border, they will be treated respectfully, and they will be housed and fed and cared for like human beings until they have their day in court. And then most will be deported.

This is the way it must be, in order that actual refugees are taken care of.

Robair Robair:

They won't be staying. But you can't just shut the border to anybody making a refugee claim.

They'll get to state their case and then they'll be on their way.

$1:

To be successful, a claimant must demonstrate he or she has a legitimate fear of persecution, war or other violence in their country of origin.

Many of them are likely to see their claim rejected, Boudreau said.

"You have to have personal reasons not to be sent back," he said. "I am afraid that a lot of them will be returned because they do not meet the requirements of refugees."

Why a visit from the Haitian government has Quebec immigration lawyers worried