[DrCaleb]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Who accused you of telling a falsehood about the Halal symbol? Not me. I referred to how clever you seemed to be suggesting you were in the telling of your little story where you spotted the falsehood when some unknown someone made a silly claim concerning the use of the Kosher symbol.

And yet, I didn't even mention Halal. Yet, you accuse me of lying about it. How can I lie about something I didn't mention? Are you now lying because you didn't mention the sun rises in the east?

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

I then showed you, there actually have been Halal symbols on things like some Campbell's soups. I've seen them. Others have reported them. And if there is nothing Halal or not Halal about tomato soup one has to wonder why the label is necessary. Why would Campbell think they had to use it? I suggest pressure from someplace outside the company. Who would benefit from such a scheme?

Did I dispute that? No, but the voices in your head told you I did. What I dispute is your bigoted assertion that it's a religious bias, when it's just a company marketing to a consumer. Just like the 20 year old email.

Like Samuel Clement wrote - "History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme."

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

This is all pertinent in this thread on the effects of Halal pressuring society to delegitimize the traditional connection of western society to Easter. The wrong think of noticing a religion that isn't Islam.

If there was any diversion from that it was all from you Doc, with your insinuation of wisdom in seeing past the bigotry of an unrelated problem.

Firstly it was directly related, that you can't see that is telling. Secondly, it's a company that is seeking to market a product to a population. No different than Kosher or Gluten free. 1.5 Billion Muslims, 40 Million Canadians. Do the math.

Third, I would love to see the 'pressure' society is under to make these products 'halal' and crush the Easter Eggs that the Apostles enjoyed while waiting for the Savior to rise. Bonus points if you can present it in the form of a fact, not an insult. (But I'm not hopeful)

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

I want to show you something. A guy put together a list of things to expect to see when debating the regressive left. He's a liberal. Note numbers 3, 9, 10, and 11.

Nope. Your regular attempt to pigeonhole me as always, fails. As always, you try to inflame the thread instead of posting and defending an actual opinion you attack and insult. It hasn't worked on me yet, and odds are never will.

But I'm sure you tried your best.

[DrCaleb]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

We used to have a halal butcher shop on Florin Road here in Sacramento. They got shut down because they were slaughtering animals on site in violation of numerous ordinances and because they were not zoned for a slaughterhouse the proprietor was cited for numerous incidents of cruelty to animals.

The building had to be gutted because of the amount of blood and etc. that permeated the place and I am happy to say that it remains an empty shell.

Having been employed in the abbatior sector, I can attest to the incredible mess slaughtering animals makes. You really need specialized facilities to handle it. Good on the health authorities for stopping it!

But no matter how hard you try, you always go home with boots full of blood squishing between your toes.

[BeaverFever]

Public_Domain Public_Domain:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Most shoppers won't even notice.

I have a personal story to tell on that though. What I just said above is not always the case.

I mentioned earlier seeing the Halal label on Campbell's tomato soup. The internet may have changed things there. Internet activists made a fuss about Campbell's Canada going halal.

Not all the soup tins were labelled Halal when I saw them, but the ones that were, were marked down to less than half price.

I was standing there looking at soups. This friendly fellow comes up to me and tells me how there's a big bin of them marked down to 50 cents a tin at the end of the aisle. I tell him, "No thanks. Those are halal."

I got the feeling he didn't know what I was talking about, but he grunts, "Oh..." and moves on.

that guy probably joked with his coworkers about what a spaced out dumbass racist you gotta be to pay twice as much for the same god damn soup. or he didn't give a fuck, and just chalked you up as yet another spacey impersonal whacky political nerd who is so miserable in conversation that you trap them into your propaganda spiels when the retail worker just wants youvto fuCKING SHUT UP.

[Tricks]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Tricks, you've actually convinced me that both the excesses of Organic and Halal certification schemes push in what for convenience sake I'll just call the 'wrong' direction, but I remain convinced Halal is worse.

Holy shit I'm framing that. And I think both are bad to be honest, I just don't think one is worse. They're both in my estimation a net loss on the world. Just because one has been doing it longer doesn't make it more adept at it. Yahoo has been doing search much longer than Google, but no one would say yahoo is better at it.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

I don't see what this has to do with Islam.

Because you refuse to recognize an obvious fact.

Islam is about control.

It's about control of all aspects of life from political, to cultural, to legal, to educational, to how you eat, sleep and crap.

The real devil in the details of Halal is in the label. They sell the certification. Halal is certified with a label and pressure is put on companies to buy the label. The more Muslims in a country, the more pressure. And you might say, "no big deal," but with the label comes control of the food processing and distribution industry. It starts small. The last I heard not all Cadbury's products were halal. Not all Campbell's soups are. But some are. I've seen Campbell's tomato soup with the halal label. This was me when I saw that - Tomato soup?

I boycott Campbell's soups myself even though they're not all Halal. Also Cadbury's. Not all Cadbury's products are Halal, but apparently now you can't even call Easter Eggs, Easter Eggs in England.

Islam has been at the immigration jihad business a long time - centuries even. They know all the tricks. The steady enveloping control over who manages the production and distribution of food and how is part of it.

Funfact. These same products have been listed as kosher for years. Simply trying to garner more customers for your products is called capitalism.