[raydan]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Edit: Hell, Ray, just a year ago you would have chided me for proposing that poly would be legalized and yet here you are silent on that one because you know it's true.

Morally, I have no problems with poly... a lot with pedo and necro... incest on the other hand is just icky but is probably a lot more common than we think.

[BeaverFever]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I just don't care for an illegitimate marriage to be called a marriage. It also adds an air of false legitimacy to what is really nothing different than what the Moslem grooming gangs are doing to young girls in Europe.

As I said, sex with a minor is the crime.

[BeaverFever]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

raydan raydan:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Poly, pedo, and incest are the next social frontiers and I expect all will be legal to some extent or another by the end of the next decade if not sooner.

Anytime we start discussing relationships outside of Bart's comfort zone, he brings out the pedo and incest argument... makes no sense but he's harmless.

Poly is already working its way through the courts and it will inevitably be legalized because the arguments against traditional marriage are as valid for gay marriage as they are for polygamous marriage.

On pedo the start is to normalize it and de-list it as a psychological aberration.

Pedophiles: The next normal

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... xt-normal/

With incest (and necrophilia ) the push to normalize it is already on.

$1:

The youth wing of the Swedish Liberal party has filed a motion to legalize necrophilia and incest.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... enior.html

Forty years ago it was considered utter nonsense to talk about homosexuals working as school teachers, getting married, joining the military, etc. and yet here we are.

I know better than to just say something "will never happen" because I've heard the same thing said of so many things in my lifetime only to see them happen in my lifetime.

Edit: Hell, Ray, just a year ago you would have chided me for proposing that poly would be legalized and yet here you are silent on that one because you know it's true.

The minimum standard is consenting adults. Sometimes even that isn't enough -an adult can't legally consent to being murdered or being a slave.

That's not going to change. The right wing Washington Times piece is just same lame old argument "if we tolerate homosexuality, then we'll have to tolerate pedos!" argument and has no basis in fact or logic

Similarly, a corpse cannot consent to sex so sex with random corpses will never be legal. That said, in theory there could be living people who want to stipulate in their will that their corpse be stuffed and made into a sex doll but I don't see there being enough if those people for government to change the law.

The incest initiative comprises of consenting adults who are related, e.g. Adult siblings. There is not an initiative to make it legal to rape a child and any such initiatives would clearly fail.

[Thanos]

Bogus religious beliefs from Islam, Mormonism, Scientology, the Doukhobors, certain small Hebrew sects, and fundamentalist whackjobs like David Koresh were successfully used to circumvent social prohibitions on pedophilia and ephebophila. It's just meaningless words on paper if the authorities turn a blind eye or are intimidated by the religious kooks into a hands-off situation.

[BeaverFever]

Thanos Thanos:

Bogus religious beliefs from Islam, Mormonism, Scientology, the Doukhobors, certain small Hebrew sects, and fundamentalist whackjobs like David Koresh were successfully used to circumvent social prohibitions on pedophilia and ephebophila. It's just meaningless words on paper if the authorities turn a blind eye or are intimidated by the religious kooks into a hands-off situation.

I agree but I don't think any blind eyes are being turned die to fear of offending the perpetrators. In the Rotherham situation, the authorities just didn't give a fuck about the girls because they and their families were from the bottom barrel so the cops had contempt for them.

[housewife]

raydan raydan:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Edit: Hell, Ray, just a year ago you would have chided me for proposing that poly would be legalized and yet here you are silent on that one because you know it's true.

Morally, I have no problems with poly... a lot with pedo and necro... incest on the other hand is just icky but is probably a lot more common than we think.

I have to agree no problem with poly. The rest uh no and the pedo should just be rounded up and shot but instead our courts give them time served plus a day. So in a way I guess it is being ignored and allowed. Broken kids turn into broken adults and we all get to pay for them, cheaper to no break them.

[rickc]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Consenting adults can live how they want but when it comes to government benefits tax credits, deductions etc, I'm ok with government drawing a line here. Unlike same sex marriage, this is actually a lifestyle choice and the government doesn't have to finance it.

Right now we have millions of men who impregnate women, and walk away from thier responsibilities as fathers. They never contribute one red cent to the support of their children. Never spend any time raising their children, They can never be bothered to get up in the middle of the night to change a diaper, or feed their child. We have millions of women who pop out kids every 9 months, and never know who the father is. If they do know, the father is a criminal doing time in prison, an illegal alien being deported to another country, a bum sofa surfing on other people's couches, etc., etc. Us taxpayers are 100% responsibile for the children of these people. We provide for their their lodging, food, medical, dental, etc., etc. You lefties do not seem to have a problem with that. If we ever bring it up for discussion, we are being mean. We are picking on the destitute. We have no compassion. If we sugggest that women on welfare should be on birth control, we are called nazi's. We are interfering with her God given right to absolute control over her child bearing functions. We get no say what so ever. If she wants to keep popping out bastard children every nine months, thats her right. We taxpayers get no say whatsoever. Shame on us for even bringing up the topic. Shame on us for suggesting that people should have some responsability for the decisions that they make in life. The men just get to keep procreating at our expense. The women just get to keep living on the dole at our expense. The party in their pants has no end.

Now we have some people who are not content to live their lives with just one other person. They want more. They are actually willing to stand up and say that they care about other people. They have an extended family. They want the legal right to visit people in the hospital that they care about that they are not married to. They want the right to spend time with and help raise children that might not be their own. In short they actually give a fuck about someone other than themselves. You want to come on here and tell us how the government does not have to "finance" their lifestyle through tax breaks and deductions? Give me a fucking break!!! I would much rather give someone who actually gives a fuck about someone else, and wants to spend time with them, a tax break of a few hundred dollars a year, than pay thousands of dollars to fully carry some irresponsable asshole that has only cares about their next drug fix. You say its a lifestyle choice. I agree. They are choosing to be happy. Good for them. These people actually care about each other. I would much rather "finance" responsible people who actually give a shit about each other, and spend time together than keep writing blank checks to crack whores who care about no one else but themselves.

My sister and me were latch key kids for years before my mother remarried. We would have loved for some more responsable adults to have been around. We had to raise ourselves as our mom worked nights as a waitress. We had to eat crap every day that kids could reheat. No help with our homework. Society had no problem with that arrangement. My dad was free to mail a shitty check every week, and get on with his life. There is no legal requirement to spend time with your children. Our friends dad was interested in my mom. Her, not so much. I remember all of us kids wanting them to hook up as we all got along. We wanted to be a family. He was a good man, who lived up to his responsibilities as a father. He spent quality time with his kids. He didn't just mail it in. He treated me and my sister better than our own father ever did. Anyone willing to put in the time to be a parent to children, (even if they are not their kids) deserves kudos, and tax breaks. We need more people like this, not less.

[housewife]

Well said.

[BartSimpson]

housewife housewife:

I have to agree no problem with poly.

Ditto so long as it is between genuinely consenting adults. Meaning that I think it's reasonable that an 18yo girl from some pathetic cult (Mormons, Muslims, Christian freak show cults, etc.) should have to demonstrate that she's sufficiently aware of her rights that she is able to grant informed consent, not just the consent of someone who is chronologically qualified and not just being bullied or intimidated by some fucking weasel who thinks he's a god or a prophet.

Not that I have any strong feelings on the matter.

[raydan]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

housewife housewife:

I have to agree no problem with poly.

Ditto so long as it is between genuinely consenting adults. Meaning that I think it's reasonable that an 18yo girl from some pathetic cult (Mormons, Muslims, Christian freak show cults, etc.) should have to demonstrate that she's sufficiently aware of her rights that she is able to grant informed consent, not just the consent of someone who is chronologically qualified and not just being bullied or intimidated by some fucking weasel who thinks he's a god or a prophet.

Not that I have any strong feelings on the matter.

So I have to ask the question... how many stupid people get married? That is, if you really tested that "genuinely consenting" thing, they would fail.