[DrCaleb]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Eating meat isn't bad for the environment. Anyone who actually believes that is a fucking putz. It's the fast food industry that's the main problem.

You are quite mistaken. Raising animals like cattle by letting them graze grass on the land is indeed very easy on the environment. But razing rain forest to plant soybeans that get sprayed with chemicals that run off and pollute rivers and oceans (ie: factory farming), causes a great deal of environmental impact.

http://www.nrdc.org/water/pollution/ffarms.asp

http://ecowatch.com/2013/01/21/factory- ... l-warming/

http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/deadzone.html

The fast food industry is bad for our health, and is a whole other thread.

I think you may have missed the point. By severely restricting the number of fast food dumps, the need to clear cut rain forests to service the industry would be diminished. It's the rise of the fast food dumps that is responsible for most of the problem. Hell, it wasn't really very long ago that most of our beef cattle was pasture fed.
Even those shitty Ponderosa Restaurant steaks had more flavor than the steaks one gets in the grocery stores these days.

As to how the fast food industry is the primary driver of rain forest razing, growing up in Windsor with a population of 200,000, in 1980 there were 2 McD's, 2 BKs, a Wendy's, a Harvey's and one DQ brazier. That's a total of 7
With the population numbers pretty much the same today, the number of franchised fast food dumps has grown to 19. 3 McD's, 3 BKs, 3 Wendy's, 3 Harvey's, 3 A&Ws, 3 Wimpys, but still just one DQ brazier.
That's not counting the independent, non-franchised fast food places either. So, 35 years ago there was one franchised fast food dump for every 28,500 population. Today it's one for every 10,500 population. And those numbers seem fairly consistent in other cities of similar size.
Oshawa had a handful of fast food dumps 35 years ago. Basically 1 McD's, one BK, and 1 Harvey's. Wendy's showed up a few years later. Today, there are 21 franchised fast food dumps in Oshawa, which equates to one for every 7000 population. 35 years ago it was one for every 39,000 population.

You do have a point, but what came first - the fast food joint or the factory farm? One enables the other. If meat weren't so cheap, there would be no fast food, and fast food demand is responsible for the increase of the factory farm.

But the factory farm is still a blight on the ecosystem, from the farms all the way to the oceans. And the factory farm is where grocery store garbage comes from. It's the consumers' demand for better products, not just cheaper products, that will be the end of factory farming. The demand for cage free eggs is a good example.

[BeaverFever]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Eating meat isn't bad for the environment. Anyone who actually believes that is a fucking putz. It's the fast food industry that's the main problem.

You are quite mistaken. Raising animals like cattle by letting them graze grass on the land is indeed very easy on the environment. But razing rain forest to plant soybeans that get sprayed with chemicals that run off and pollute rivers and oceans (ie: factory farming), causes a great deal of environmental impact.

http://www.nrdc.org/water/pollution/ffarms.asp

http://ecowatch.com/2013/01/21/factory- ... l-warming/

http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/deadzone.html

The fast food industry is bad for our health, and is a whole other thread.

I think you may have missed the point. By severely restricting the number of fast food dumps, the need to clear cut rain forests to service the industry would be diminished. It's the rise of the fast food dumps that is responsible for most of the problem. Hell, it wasn't really very long ago that most of our beef cattle was pasture fed.
Even those shitty Ponderosa Restaurant steaks had more flavor than the steaks one gets in the grocery stores these days.

As to how the fast food industry is the primary driver of rain forest razing, growing up in Windsor with a population of 200,000, in 1980 there were 2 McD's, 2 BKs, a Wendy's, a Harvey's and one DQ brazier. That's a total of 7
With the population numbers pretty much the same today, the number of franchised fast food dumps has grown to 19. 3 McD's, 3 BKs, 3 Wendy's, 3 Harvey's, 3 A&Ws, 3 Wimpys, but still just one DQ brazier.
That's not counting the independent, non-franchised fast food places either. So, 35 years ago there was one franchised fast food dump for every 28,500 population. Today it's one for every 10,500 population. And those numbers seem fairly consistent in other cities of similar size.
Oshawa had a handful of fast food dumps 35 years ago. Basically 1 McD's, one BK, and 1 Harvey's. Wendy's showed up a few years later. Today, there are 21 franchised fast food dumps in Oshawa, which equates to one for every 7000 population. 35 years ago it was one for every 39,000 population.

No Taco Hell?

[herbie]

$1:

How come we had no worries when there were tens of millions of bison?

We had 6 billion fewer of us?

[PublicAnimalNo9]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

I think you may have missed the point. By severely restricting the number of fast food dumps, the need to clear cut rain forests to service the industry would be diminished. It's the rise of the fast food dumps that is responsible for most of the problem. Hell, it wasn't really very long ago that most of our beef cattle was pasture fed.
Even those shitty Ponderosa Restaurant steaks had more flavor than the steaks one gets in the grocery stores these days.

As to how the fast food industry is the primary driver of rain forest razing, growing up in Windsor with a population of 200,000, in 1980 there were 2 McD's, 2 BKs, a Wendy's, a Harvey's and one DQ brazier. That's a total of 7
With the population numbers pretty much the same today, the number of franchised fast food dumps has grown to 19. 3 McD's, 3 BKs, 3 Wendy's, 3 Harvey's, 3 A&Ws, 3 Wimpys, but still just one DQ brazier.
That's not counting the independent, non-franchised fast food places either. So, 35 years ago there was one franchised fast food dump for every 28,500 population. Today it's one for every 10,500 population. And those numbers seem fairly consistent in other cities of similar size.
Oshawa had a handful of fast food dumps 35 years ago. Basically 1 McD's, one BK, and 1 Harvey's. Wendy's showed up a few years later. Today, there are 21 franchised fast food dumps in Oshawa, which equates to one for every 7000 population. 35 years ago it was one for every 39,000 population.

No Taco Hell?

Yeah, I was just counting burger joints for the most part but since you asked, there's also 3 Taco Hells in Oshawa. There were none 35 years ago. I think there might have been one in Windsor back then, now there's 3.

[bootlegga]

Thanks but no thanks EU, I'm planning on eating beef once every couple weeks for as long as I can chew it!