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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 10:09 am
 


Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Sorry but you're mistaken.

If you're willing to waste enough lives to win a war then technology isn't exclusively tantamount to success. During WWII the Russians proved that no matter how much technology advances you still need voluntolds to act as meat shields in order to protect said technology and deplete enemy resources :wink:


With the technology we have today WWII is long gone the way of the dodo.

In the first Gulf war according to stats on wiki
146 US killed and 32 were friendly fire

20,000 or more Iraqis.

I think the numbers are skewed , we had less and they had far more.

In any case we can now go to war and suffer a hundred deaths and kill tens of thousands due to technology.

There is no longer cannon fodder.

It's all about money now and not casualties.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 10:25 am
 


CountLothian CountLothian:
Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Sorry but you're mistaken.

If you're willing to waste enough lives to win a war then technology isn't exclusively tantamount to success. During WWII the Russians proved that no matter how much technology advances you still need voluntolds to act as meat shields in order to protect said technology and deplete enemy resources :wink:


With the technology we have today WWII is long gone the way of the dodo.

In the first Gulf war according to stats on wiki
146 US killed and 32 were friendly fire

20,000 or more Iraqis.

I think the numbers are skewed , we had less and they had far more.

In any case we can now go to war and suffer a hundred deaths and kill tens of thousands due to technology.

There is no longer cannon fodder.

It's all about money now and not casualties.

I


You put far to much faith in technology that can be stopped in the blink of an eye. As long as there's a requirement for infantry there'll be a need for Cannon fodder and the Gulf war was an aberration not the rule so, even with today's technology had the combatants been anywhere near equivalent those numbers would be 100% different. Try that with the Chinese or Russians and then get back to me with the numbers.

One EMP and the world changes then we're right back to WWII technology with the cannon fodder even more necessary and it becomes like the Russians using mass suicide attacks to expend the Germans power and protect their limited technological resources. Only this time it will likely be the Chinese expending millions in order to achieve an objective.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 10:29 am
 


herbie herbie:
You just mentioned three items we have no need of. They're still the world's largest arsenal to choose from. And that doesn't mean we shouldn't look elsewhere.
I'm just reacting to things like if you need a Jeep, why not buy a damn $20,000 Jeep and modify it for another $10,000? Why build a factory to make a handful for $250,00 each? Why buy a G-wagon when half the kids on my block have more capable toys just for fun?
We don't have a base in Germany like in the Cold War. Do we even need tanks? Do we need more than frigates and patrol boats?
Come out with a comprehensive policy, let the public accept it and do it.


No, we need all three of the things I mentioned. I agree we don't need hundreds of tanks, but it does make sense to retain an armoured capability, which is why they bought the latest Leopard 2s a few years back, which are as good if not better than the Abrams (lots of discussion on the Internet which is better actually ).

And if we plan on using our fancy new Chinooks anywhere dangerous (like we did in Afghanistan), then we need gunships to protect them - and the half-baked Griffon choppers are not a suitable aircraft due to its range, weak weaponry and lack of armour.

We most certainly need destroyers, but our destroyer needs are very different from the Americans, who have specialized cruisers and destroyers to provide long range SAM protection and carriers for command and control of task groups. OTOH, we need a solid multi-mission ship capable of all those functions, as well some ASW ability.

I agree that 'Canadianizing' everything costs extra, but our needs are very different from most of our allies. The US, UK and France need large robust ships to fulfill their blue water missions, while most other countries in NATO opt for smaller vessels aimed largely at coastal patrol/protection. Canada with the world's longest coastline is in a different category than all of them.


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Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:
CountLothian CountLothian:
Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Sorry but you're mistaken.

If you're willing to waste enough lives to win a war then technology isn't exclusively tantamount to success. During WWII the Russians proved that no matter how much technology advances you still need voluntolds to act as meat shields in order to protect said technology and deplete enemy resources :wink:


With the technology we have today WWII is long gone the way of the dodo.

In the first Gulf war according to stats on wiki
146 US killed and 32 were friendly fire

20,000 or more Iraqis.

I think the numbers are skewed , we had less and they had far more.

In any case we can now go to war and suffer a hundred deaths and kill tens of thousands due to technology.

There is no longer cannon fodder.

It's all about money now and not casualties.

I


You put far to much faith in technology that can be stopped in the blink of an eye. As long as there's a requirement for infantry there'll be a need for Cannon fodder and the Gulf war was an aberration not the rule so, even with today's technology had the combatants been anywhere near equivalent those numbers would be 100% different. Try that with the Chinese or Russians and then get back to me with the numbers.

One EMP and the world changes then we're right back to WWII technology with the cannon fodder even more necessary and it becomes like the Russians using mass suicide attacks to expend the Germans power and protect their limited technological resources. Only this time it will likely be the Chinese expending millions in order to achieve an objective.


Well the second gulf war and Afghanistan had less casualty numbers to take over. But the grind of trying to hold the place is the problem.

I just don't see the vast numbers needed .

There is no need for conscription.What we have now is, this need for some to join the military just to get a job and the patriotic few are less and less. Rare do we find someone growing up wanting to serve, well maybe not rare.

you just have to look at the new form of our involvement ...wait I'm about to knock my own platform..lol..We might just send observers and aircraft bombings ...but yeah the field is full with soldiers.

Yeah your right ...thought through we will always need fodder.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:00 am
 


Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:
bootlegga bootlegga:

Conscription didn't fly in WW1 or WW2 and it wouldn'the fly in peacetime. Besides, conscripts are useless in the modern world, because of the complexity of weaponry and other military technologies.


Sorry but you're mistaken.

If you're willing to waste enough lives to win a war then technology isn't exclusively tantamount to success. During WWII the Russians proved that no matter how much technology advances you still need voluntolds to act as meat shields in order to protect said technology and deplete enemy resources :wink:


Every modern conflict has shown that well trained professionals will defeat conscripts, which is likely why Russia and China have largely adopted the volunteer model.

As for your notion of EMP, that's just ridiculous. Sure that is a worry (like WMDs, but the nation that is foolish enough to use such a weapon will find itself turned into radioactive glass by yhe Americans. The only nation that might be able to get away with it is Russia, but they are just as dependent on technology and no longer have the advantage of numbers on their side.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 3:00 pm
 


CountLothian CountLothian:
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Congratulations. That is definitely your most moronic post ever. :roll:

Ah the mindless fodder knee jerk reaction without a nary of thought to what they could have read.


And cue the delusions of grandeur. :lol:

I agree with a previous poster that mentioned your parents being first cousins.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 3:49 pm
 


2Cdo 2Cdo:
CountLothian CountLothian:
2Cdo 2Cdo:
Congratulations. That is definitely your most moronic post ever. :roll:

Ah the mindless fodder knee jerk reaction without a nary of thought to what they could have read.


And cue the delusions of grandeur. :lol:

I agree with a previous poster that mentioned your parents being first cousins.


I refuse to lower myself to these bullies online. I think they are pretty much useless people in real life if this how they need to get their jollies.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 9:45 pm
 


CountLothian CountLothian:
I refuse to lower myself to these bullies online. I think they are pretty much useless people in real life if this how they need to get their jollies.

Yeah, call people idiots and then keep whining about how lowbrow they are when they insult you. That's an endearing quality.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:18 pm
 


We see that what we have to post is both true and demeaning to the Harperites.
It's not our fault for the state of affairs in Canada .
It's the flotsam that reacts emotionally and bullies their way on the internet because of lack of the ability to deny the truth that hurts them so.

I welcome the bullies in the sense that people see it for what it is and learns, but what if they do this to lesser beings and what of the outcome.

His Illustrious The Count Lothian knows his status in the online world is one of grandeur and the peons gather to mock that which they cannot debate.

Pathetic little angry people with an internet connection.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:19 pm
 


PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
CountLothian CountLothian:
I refuse to lower myself to these bullies online. I think they are pretty much useless people in real life if this how they need to get their jollies.

Yeah, call people idiots and then keep whining about how lowbrow they are when they insult you. That's an endearing quality.

Don't forget that after insulting someone you must run to the mods when they respond in kind. :lol:


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:24 pm
 


2Cdo 2Cdo:
PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
CountLothian CountLothian:
I refuse to lower myself to these bullies online. I think they are pretty much useless people in real life if this how they need to get their jollies.

Yeah, call people idiots and then keep whining about how lowbrow they are when they insult you. That's an endearing quality.

Don't forget that after insulting someone you must run to the mods when they respond in kind. :lol:

His Illustriousness The Count Lothian does not insult , only objectifies the lesser vermin that abound on the internet. Seething anger and stupidity bullied unto the weak is of interest to all who know what angry little people sitting in their hovels and parents basements in soiled underwear live for


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2015 6:47 am
 


CountLothian CountLothian:
PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
CountLothian CountLothian:
I refuse to lower myself and debate anyone.
Fixed for accuracy and to describe your chicken shit attitude.

$1:
Yeah, call people idiots and then keep whining about how lowbrow they are when they insult you. That's an endearing quality.


CountLothian CountLothian:
His Illustriousness The Count Lothian does not insult , only objectifies the lesser vermin that abound on the internet. Seething anger and stupidity bullied unto the weak is of interest to all who know what angry little people sitting in their hovels and parents basements in soiled underwear live for

Ah yes, the bleating double standard of the blind, partisan retard.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2015 6:54 am
 


CountLothian CountLothian:

His Illustriousness The Count Lothian does not insult , only objectifies the lesser vermin that abound on the internet. Seething anger and stupidity bullied unto the weak is of interest to all who know what angry little people sitting in their hovels and parents basements in soiled underwear live for


Whoever told you the Spice you are taking comes from Arrakis (Dune), is lying.


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PluggyRug PluggyRug:
CountLothian CountLothian:

His Illustriousness The Count Lothian does not insult , only objectifies the lesser vermin that abound on the internet. Seething anger and stupidity bullied unto the weak is of interest to all who know what angry little people sitting in their hovels and parents basements in soiled underwear live for


Whoever told you the Spice you are taking comes from Arrakis (Dune), is lying.

I told you if you slept with Harkonnen you would have a constant reminder of the event.
Now look at you..


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