[DrCaleb]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

With Toronto being one of the most multi-cultural Cities in the World with a massive gay population and legalized marriage for the last 10 years, we've yet to see a religious war.

Mostly because Canada doesn't have very many devout believers in Christ to begin with. Add to this that I am unable to find even one single case of where a Canadian mosque was forced to conduct a gay marriage. I imagine that as soon you folks try that one out you'll have your religious war.

In the US our demographics are somewhat different and we have Hispanic Catholics who will kill you for putting graffiti on an image of the Virgin of Guadalupe.

They take their religion and their culture deathly serious.

I think I see the fault in your line of thinking. We do have very devout believers here, we just don't have the evangelical type that you are thinking of. Canadians see the 'Joel Osteen' type as fake and not believable. "Methinks he doth protest too much".

You won't find your case of a church or mosque being 'forced' to perform a same sex wedding because in both Canada and the US, the courts' ruling protects religious organizations from being forced to do such a thing. Even if they were't protected, we also don't have the 'militant' LGBTQ crowd that you do. They wanted the same rights as everyone else, and they got them, They are satisfied with that. They also aren't egotistical enough to try to force a church or a mosque to perform a marriage against their religious beliefs just to make a point.

[OnTheIce]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

But to just order it into existence and then to force it into places where it isn't welcome is asking for trouble and if that's what you support then you're an asshole.

I hope that's not the case.

You don't give a shit about violence. In fact, you'd likely rejoice in the violence in this case. Again, it's all fearmongering on your part.

You and the rest of the religious minions will be no better than those Muslim's you love to shit on if it resorts to violence.

It took you guys a while to move past that slavery thing you liked so much, this issue will be no different.

[BartSimpson]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

I hate you.

I know.

[OnTheIce]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

I hate you.

I know.

I don't hate you. I don't know you.

Just because people disagree with your beliefs, doesn't mean they hate you.

[BartSimpson]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Just because people disagree with your beliefs, doesn't mean they hate you.

Then don't attribute me with hate ("homophobia") just because I don't agree with gay marriage and the notion of churches being forced to go along with it.

[Public_Domain]

[Winnipegger]

Legally, a church ceremony is meaningless. It's the signed paperwork that's important. So a church ceremony can use whatever words they want. And churches are permitted to turn away those they don't like. Too many cases will reduce their congregation, and their business. Remember a church is a business, they get paid for ceremonies. Any businessman will tell you discrimination is very bad for business. Political partisanship is even worse for business. So there will be some churches that do turn away same sex couples, but most won't.

I read the article. My reaction was quite different. Next replace the word "spouse" with "spouse(s)". That would make Mormons happy. Another political "wedge" issue; Republicans could never support that. Would they change "married couple" to "married couple or group"?

[Zipperfish]

Let's just move to "fuck buddies" and be done with it.

This thread is completely NWORNGed anyways.

[BartSimpson]

Public_Domain Public_Domain:

"just because I don't agree with gay marriage"

it's obviously more than that, bart, with your repeated obsessive commentary on the actual acts plausible within homosexual relationships.

Just reminding some people of what they want me to consider "normal". If it doesn't bother you then don't mention it. But if it does bother you then don't call me names because it bothers me.

Public_Domain Public_Domain:

you are disgusted by these people, consider them sinful heathens, and assume their afterlife will be a thousand years in hell.

I am disgusted with some of them, true. I don't consider them any more sinful than I am. And I believe the folks who insist on their sin will spend eternity in hell. You're confusing me with someone else on that 'thousand years' thing.

Public_Domain Public_Domain:

you have stated much more than just a mere legalist disagreement with a challenge to the 'natural' family. your arguments pointing frantically to 200 year old documents and 2000 year old notions are afterthoughts to your general distasteful consideration of these people.

First off, that 200 year old document is still the guiding wisdom for my country. Just because it's old doesn't mean it's outdated even if you don't like it. And my notions may be thousands of years old but yours are fifteen years old. That's not really an argument in your favor.

Public_Domain Public_Domain:

you hate homosexuals and assume they face (and deserve) punishment. not from you, i'll grant, you prefer to believe your god is going to do it.

I hate sin. I hate my own sin. I don't wallow in my sins and I don't expect other people to bless, sanction, or approve of my sins. Not all people who have been gay choose to stay gay. Some move on from it and become heterosexual and they lead happy lives and have families in some cases. Those folks, in many ways, are better Christians than I can hope to be.

Public_Domain Public_Domain:

so yeah, you hate. you're filled with it. it basically defines you. and it does nothing but make my eyes roll when you name drop latinos and blacks when you like to "joke" about ethnically cleansing detroit.

Funny how it works by saying I hate you grant yourself a license to hate me.

Public_Domain Public_Domain:

you fool no one, santorum.

You fool no one, either, Noam. You don't care about the homosexuals except that they help further your own agenda. Big deal that their lifestyle kills them with AIDS, STDs, drug abuse, alcohol abuse, and high rates of suicide and mental health issues. So long as they further your deconstructionist and anarchistic agenda you want them to 'celebrate diversity' but the moment you and your ilk ever seize power then just like every leftist totalitarian before you the gays will be marched off to the camps never to be seen again.

Oh, and to ethnically cleanse Detroit all I need to do is nothing at all.

They're doing just fine all on their own.

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/m ... /29139415/

[Unsound]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Let's just move to "fuck buddies" and be done with it.

That assumes there's fucking going on... I dunno about your marriage but ...

[BartSimpson]

Unsound Unsound:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Let's just move to "fuck buddies" and be done with it.

That assumes there's fucking going on... I dunno about your marriage but ...

[Public_Domain]

[BartSimpson]

Public_Domain Public_Domain:

Stop name dropping those you hate as if they'd ever be on your side.

I don't care if they're on my side so long as they're at your throat.

[Public_Domain]

[OnTheIce]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Just reminding some people of what they want me to consider "normal". If it doesn't bother you then don't mention it. But if it does bother you then don't call me names because it bothers me.

Many of us here don't consider you to be "normal" by our standards.

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I hate sin. I hate my own sin. I don't wallow in my sins and I don't expect other people to bless, sanction, or approve of my sins. Not all people who have been gay choose to stay gay. Some move on from it and become heterosexual and they lead happy lives and have families in some cases. Those folks, in many ways, are better Christians than I can hope to be.

Just as we're disgusted by people like you. If you're worthy of marriage in a church, being a sinner and all, what makes all of your sins any less "sinful" than gay people.

People don't "choose" to be gay.

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

You fool no one, either, Noam. You don't care about the homosexuals except that they help further your own agenda. Big deal that their lifestyle kills them with AIDS, STDs, drug abuse, alcohol abuse, and high rates of suicide and mental health issues. So long as they further your deconstructionist and anarchistic agenda you want them to 'celebrate diversity' but the moment you and your ilk ever seize power then just like every leftist totalitarian before you the gays will be marched off to the camps never to be seen again.

And all those things are just gay problems? I don't think any of us here in this topic are gay, so he nor I have an agenda.

Maybe you need to clean up your act and be less of a sinner before you point out and condemn the sins of others. Otherwise, you're just a hypocrite.