[andyt]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

andyt andyt:

[But in cases like this, I can see the employers side - why should their company suffer because of what an employee gets up to?

Like voting NDP?

Political protection is protected. As was pointed out, if this guy had yelled something political there is no way to get fired. Voting is also protected. This guys' sin was doing it live on camera.

You do have a point that if he was a high performing CEO of the company, the pr spin would start, he'd do a few mea maxima culpas, and that would be it. Unless he was already on the way out.

I guess this is why we have courts. The employer would have to show actual damage or likely potential damage.

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

andyt andyt:

I"m torn here. Maybe it should be up the employer to insert a clause in the contract that controls behavior outside of work.

Or to the employee, saying "I'm not signing that bullshit, any more than I will sign your non-compete clause that basically puts me out of work in the industry for which I'm trained."

Well he can make that choice of course. As the right likes to say, nobody is forcing him to take that job.

We live in an increasingly corporatized society - that should be resisted. But in cases like this, I can see the employers side - why should their company suffer because of what an employee gets up to?

I agree. But he was not representing the company, nor endorsing it through logos or anything. He was just some rude asshole on the streets. If they hadn't spoken up, we'd never know he worked there.

[andyt]

You don't know that. He's probably got it plastered on facebook - that's where the company has a point, he's made a public association with them.

Then of course there's all the other employees who won't want to work with him anymore - the women, anyway. Let him be accused of any sort of harassment, and the company is in big trouble because they knew about his previous behavior.

But yeah, I feel bad for him losing his job. He didn't know he was a dick, since he hung around with other dicks. Losing your job has got to hurt. The real question we should be asking is why so many young men think and act like this - look at the Dalhousie scandal. We've always been sexist pigs, but at one time we knew when to let it show and when not. That seems to have disappeared. And in my generation I think we grew out of it a lot faster. AS I said, FHRITP sounds like something as 7 year old would say.

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

You don't know that. He's probably got it plastered on facebook - that's where the company has a point, he's made a public association with them.

Then of course there's all the other employees who won't want to work with him anymore - the women, anyway. Let him be accused of any sort of harassment, and the company is in big trouble because they knew about his previous behavior.

No, I only know what's in articles about him. But yea, good point. Civil Engineers do have to meet with people outside the office, and he would be a very bad representative for the company.

andyt andyt:

But yeah, I feel bad for him losing his job. He didn't know he was a dick, since he hung around with other dicks. Losing your job has got to hurt. The real question we should be asking is why so many young men think and act like this - look at the Dalhousie scandal. We've always been sexist pigs, but at one time we knew when to let it show and when not. That seems to have disappeared. And in my generation I think we grew out of it a lot faster. AS I said, FHRITP sounds like something as 7 year old would say.

Agree there too. But as I think we've discussed before, there has just been a complete breakdown of simple civility and public manners. FHRITP is just an incarnation of that.

[Zipperfish]

andyt andyt:

Political protection is protected.

Not really.

[OnTheIce]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

I just don't feel an overwhelming need to hand corporations more power than they already have. Why should rich people get to be able to smoke crack on camera and keep their jobs, and workign shmoes get laid off because the company decides that they want to be able to control their staff 24/7.

Because not all 'jobs' are the same.

You can't compare a politician, a business owner, a unionised employee and a non-unionised employee.

[Zipperfish]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Because not all 'jobs' are the same.

You can't compare a politician, a business owner, a unionised employee and a non-unionised employee.

True. But to my mind principals should be consistently applied as much as possible for a just society.

[2Cdo]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Because not all 'jobs' are the same.

You can't compare a politician, a business owner, a unionised employee and a non-unionised employee.

True. But to my mind principals should be consistently applied as much as possible for a just society.

And that's why a swift punch in the mouth, delivered at the scene, treats anyone making such asinine comments equally.

[Zipperfish]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

And that's why a swift punch in the mouth, delivered at the scene, treats anyone making such asinine comments equally.

I think a punch in the face would have wrapped things up quite efficiently.

[ShepherdsDog]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Because not all 'jobs' are the same.

You can't compare a politician, a business owner, a unionised employee and a non-unionised employee.

True. But to my mind principals should be consistently applied as much as possible for a just society.

Why the hell do you want school administrators involved in this??

[2Cdo]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Because not all 'jobs' are the same.

You can't compare a politician, a business owner, a unionised employee and a non-unionised employee.

True. But to my mind principals should be consistently applied as much as possible for a just society.

Why the hell do you want school administrators involved in this??

Nicely played.

[Zipperfish]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Because not all 'jobs' are the same.

You can't compare a politician, a business owner, a unionised employee and a non-unionised employee.

True. But to my mind principals should be consistently applied as much as possible for a just society.

Why the hell do you want school administrators involved in this??

D'oh!

[bootlegga]

Lemmy Lemmy:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

I agree that he shouldn't lose his job over this. He wasn't wearing anything that could reflect poorly on the company, but a good fucking beatdown would be a lesson he remembered.

Agreed. When I was growing up, everyone understood that if you ran your mouth there was a good chance you were gonna get punched in the face. Bosses and Police weren't needed to enforce "the rules". Today, in PC-world, there's no fear. Dumbass mooks figure they can say whatever they want.

But if he stays fired, that sets a very dangerous precedent. When an employer has the power to fire someone for something they did off the clock that's dramatically blurring the line between "work" and "leisure". I really don't think we want to turn the labour market into a mechanism for enforcing private morality.

Where is it written that your boss has the right to set your moral code? This is PC BS at its worst IMO.

[bootlegga]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

The guy never even made the comment. While he was acting like a douche, he never made the vulgar comment to begin with.

Shawn Simoes is the second guy in the video she interviews and he doesn't appear to say it, although he says a lot of other inappropriate things. Still, nothing he said is all that worse than people say in real life, online or anywhere else for that matter.

I think most would agree that we've all seen far worse things said on this forum than he said on camera.

Frankly, if this video is the "evidence" for this termination, then the victim here is Simoes, who just happened to laugh at the wrong thing and dropped a few f-bombs and talked about vibrators/sex while on camera.

He should find a good lawyer and sue City News & Hunt for a few million bucks for character assassination and then sue Hydro One for wrongful dismissal.

[Lemmy]

I feel greasy for defending the mook piece of shit. I want to punch him in the face after 2Cdo is done punching him in the face. But I can't shake the feeling that Hydro One is the bigger villain in this tale.

I once played with a band at a beer tent and when we were tuning up I said to the other guitar player "the crowd's gonna go wild and women will show their tits"...and some woman in the beer tent yelled "HEY, watch what you say". I didn't realize the mics were hot and everyone could here our chatter on stage. Maybe I'm lucky to have my job. Maybe we all are.