[Zipperfish]

andyt andyt:

Maybe read my post again and think about if I really meant what you think I did. Separate sentence one from the next two.

But actually, even with your misreading, how do you get ideological purity from that. It's the very opposite - ideological heterogeneity. Heinz 57 party.

I read it twice the first time, thanks. And stand by comments.

"Ideological purity" is basically crapping all over everything from up on high. Your specialty.

[andyt]

Fine have your snit. I was differentiating between you and OTI. But what ev.

[Zipperfish]

And a lovely snit it is!

[andyt]

If you've calmed down now. I have no issue with someone joining a party, volunteering, etc. But they should still be able to criticize what their party when they go off the rails. Even switch parties if the train wreck is bad enough, in the short term anyway. No party does everything right. One should be able to say "on balance I support X, but boy did they fuck up here." Or better yet, "I agree with the CPC's positions on the economy and the environment, but their attrition of civil liberties, use of the CRA to get their enemies and shutting down information gathering and dissemination" worries me too much to give them my support this time. Or just "governments are like diapers..."

[PluggyRug]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

I just can't understand anyone who thinks Trudeau would be good for Canada. The man has the depth of a soap dish and the IQ of a small rock. His foray into foreign affairs would be laughable with none of our allies taking him seriously.

Yes it is ironic that eggheads Ignteieff, Rae and Dion were all summarily dispacthed by the Tory attack machine and here's gormless Trudeau still standing.

No irony there, the voting public is just as shallow as Trudeau.

[2Cdo]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

I just can't understand anyone who thinks Trudeau would be good for Canada. The man has the depth of a soap dish and the IQ of a small rock. His foray into foreign affairs would be laughable with none of our allies taking him seriously.

Yes it is ironic that eggheads Ignteieff, Rae and Dion were all summarily dispacthed by the Tory attack machine and here's gormless Trudeau still standing.

See, I was actually worried abut Ignateiff. I thought he had the smarts to actually win and do something but he seemed to get caught up in the inside politics of the party. I don't think the long-term members liked him, maybe seen him as closer to right than they were comfortable with. Rae, not a hope in hell he was ever going to win anything based on his years of ruin as the premier of Ontario. Dion, well he was just Dion.

Trudeau junior is only there because the big red machine wet themselves at the thought of junior being the second coming of his dad. His dad, who I still think was one of the worst PM's ever, at least had a brain in his head. Junior, not so much.

[Zipperfish]

andyt andyt:

If you've calmed down now. I have no issue with someone joining a party, volunteering, etc. But they should still be able to criticize what their party when they go off the rails. Even switch parties if the train wreck is bad enough, in the short term anyway. No party does everything right. One should be able to say "on balance I support X, but boy did they fuck up here." Or better yet, "I agree with the CPC's positions on the economy and the environment, but their attrition of civil liberties, use of the CRA to get their enemies and shutting down information gathering and dissemination" worries me too much to give them my support this time. Or just "governments are like diapers..."

I don't disagree with any of that. What I said was that it was a good day to be a Liberal, or soemthing like that. I still think it is. Eve Adams and her operative hubby may be toxic in the long term. However for the purposes of this day, a Tory defection so soon after Baird leaving looks good politically. Not to mention Adams feeding the "mean-spiritied Harper" meme.

I imagine there will be bad days for the Liberals as well. It's a long election season.

[Zipperfish]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

See, I was actually worried abut Ignateiff. I thought he had the smarts to actually win and do something but he seemed to get caught up in the inside politics of the party. I don't think the long-term members liked him, maybe seen him as closer to right than they were comfortable with. Rae, not a hope in hell he was ever going to win anything based on his years of ruin as the premier of Ontario. Dion, well he was just Dion.

Trudeau junior is only there because the big red machine wet themselves at the thought of junior being the second coming of his dad. His dad, who I still think was one of the worst PM's ever, at least had a brain in his head. Junior, not so much.

I think the Liberals were probably more interested in the name than the man. It worked for George Bush, for the Kennedys. For the Bennets here in BC, the Mannings in Alberat. Maybe it's our monarch instincts or something. That name seems to lend an edge on voting day.

[ShepherdsDog]

$1:

I think the Liberals were probably more interested in the name than the man.

That's part of the problem. The party is more interested in the wrapping than the actual content, which junior has demonstrated to be bereft of. His father, for all his unlikable qualities was highly educated....Justin is a freaking drama teacher.

Iggy I might have voted for especially this coming election. hell I'd likely have voted for Garneau. This little pip, not a chance, even if I like the LPC candidate here. I'd sooner spoil my ballot than vote for the Tinman or Scarecrow.

[2Cdo]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

I think the Liberals were probably more interested in the name than the man. It worked for George Bush, for the Kennedys. For the Bennets here in BC, the Mannings in Alberat. Maybe it's our monarch instincts or something. That name seems to lend an edge on voting day.

I know, but I honestly think if, and it's a big if, he gets elected it'll be ruinous for Canada. Between him, and Kathleen Redenbacher in Ontario, industry will virtually disappear from Canada when they implement their various carbon taxes.

[martin14]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

I think the Liberals were probably more interested in the name than the man. It worked for George Bush, for the Kennedys. For the Bennets here in BC, the Mannings in Alberat. Maybe it's our monarch instincts or something. That name seems to lend an edge on voting day.

I know, but I honestly think if, and it's a big if, he gets elected it'll be ruinous for Canada. Between him, and Kathleen Redenbacher in Ontario, industry will virtually disappear from Canada when they implement their various carbon taxes.

Just like it is doing in Australia.

[andyt]

Under Abbott, you mean? Do you realize that that is the rightwing party there? Same party as John Howard:

$1:

Until recently "conservatism" was a disparaging epithet used by radicals and Laborites and claimed by few. People on the right called themselves "liberals." That only changed in the late 20th century; Hirst shows that as a significant political movement, conservatism is "a very recent arrival in Australia. John Howard, who became prime minister in 1996, was the first holder of the office to describe himself as a conservative."[1]...Political conservatism is primarily represented by the Liberal Party of Australia, and its coalition partner, the National Party which historically was the party of the small farmers and espoused agrarianism.

Australia was booming under the previous labor government, kicking our ass. Their dollar was higher than ours.

[martin14]

andyt andyt:

Under Abbott, you mean? Do you realize that that is the rightwing party there?

No.

The previous governments, Rudd and Guillard, put the taxes on.

Industry stopped, and resource extraction became the most important thing in Aus.

Now, demand for all resources, not just oil, are way down.


http://business.financialpost.com/2015/ ... per-usual/

Global shipping in the toilet .. again.


Abbott is trying to remove the taxes, to get industry going again.

Sound familiar ?

[andyt]

Ah yes, the usual. Liberals are responsible for the mess their conservative predecessor handed them, conservatives only try to fix the mess handed to them by the liberals.

Howard got in in 2013.

Or maybe none of it has to do with who's in power, but the world economy.

[martin14]

andyt andyt:

Ah

It's as usual, we are headed for more world troubles, and the Liberals are talking about

carbon taxes.

It's like they live in a completely different world.



But this thing with Eve, it's simple.

She can't run again as a CPC, they won't let her.

So she has to switch parties.

Just bullshit and opportunism, anyone with a brain can see it. Brainless Liberals won't,

because they are too busy drinking the “Our growth depends on bringing people together,” he said complete nonsense.



But what does it say about Justine's judgement when he is so happy to play right into her hands ?