[stratos]

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If the police act in violation of the law, they are still subject to it. Their lawful conduct is also up to public debate on just how we want officers to act. They are civil servants, and how the act is not up to person choice while on the job.

All very true.

$1:

While at the Vancouver Olympics my unit was given a warning about a transsexual man seeking death by cop. We didn't cry about how unfair it is that we need to do police work, or that we are not mental health workers, or that we had not been trained to deal with suicidal trannies.

But to this day do you still deal day in and day out with suicidal transsexuals wanting to die by cop. Are you expected to be a cop every time you are at work. Do you have everyone second guessing you, hating you, demanding you take a bullet but don't you dare fire back, and have people advocating your death? Cops have this every day.

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stratos stratos:

But to this day do you still deal day in and day out with suicidal transsexuals wanting to die by cop. Are you expected to be a cop every time you are at work. Do you have everyone second guessing you, hating you, demanding you take a bullet but don't you dare fire back, and have people advocating your death? Cops have this every day.

When I was deployed to Afghanistan I had to deal with mortar attacks, rocket attacks, IEDs, children throwing hand grenades, suicide bombers, car bombs, house bombs, dead body bombs, and RoE tighter than the police use.

Just part of the job.

If the police think their job is too hard, then quit. Once we can clean house and kick all the old guard out we can rebuild the police force with new cultural ideas and traditions.

But to answer your question, every day I'm faced with the possibility of running into criminals, crazy people and dangerous situations; Only difference is our laws prevent me from being armed when it happens. Further the standard for my use of force to protect myself is wildly higher than the police's and more than likely I will have to bankrupt myself defending my legal and moral use of force if I ever have to defend myself or someone else.

[Zipperfish]

Xort Xort:

When I was deployed to Afghanistan I had to deal with mortar attacks, rocket attacks, IEDs, children throwing hand grenades, suicide bombers, car bombs, house bombs, dead body bombs, and RoE tighter than the police use.

Just part of the job.

If the police think their job is too hard, then quit. Once we can clean house and kick all the old guard out we can rebuild the police force with new cultural ideas and traditions.

It don't work like that. Management 101. If you create a "if you don't like it then quit" mentality in your workforce, your best workers are going to quit and your worse will cling on for dear life. And who will replace those good workers, when your company mottot is "If you don't like it, quit"? You aren't going to get the best quality applicants.

[OnTheIce]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Hmm, just since Ferguson the police in the US have essentially murdered four unarmed young men(one of whom had Down's Syndrome) and one child with a toy gun and have gotten away with it. God knows how many other people have had their rights violated by police in that time.
Let's stop pretending this is about bias towards the police and try discussing it like the serious problem it is.

They didn't "get away with it". Their actions were legal. Just like Michael Brown and Eric Garner....completely legal.

Considering the millions upon millions of interactions police have with the public, this isn't a serious problem. It's just a select few that have a problem with it.

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Zipperfish Zipperfish:

It don't work like that. Management 101. If you create a "if you don't like it then quit" mentality in your workforce, your best workers are going to quit and your worse will cling on for dear life. And who will replace those good workers, when your company mottot is "If you don't like it, quit"? You aren't going to get the best quality applicants.

Management 101 is for a healthy work place with good employees.

But again what is unreasonable about expecting the police to do their job? If the police hate dealing with crazy people, criminals or having to do a job that requires controlled use of violence why are they police officers to start with?

It's like those few idiots that join the military and are surprised at being required to kill people.

I say a transition into a new force, without all the old established ways of thinking, the traditional police garbage that's been dragged forward into every new employee.

I once worked a union job and the other employees were poison. I can see how someone joining would end up just like those guys. Sometimes when the tradition builds in the wrong way your only option is to start over.

I don't think the RCMP is at that point yet, but they are on that road. A police force that is at the point however, is the NYPD who have decided to stop doing their job because the Mayor wasn't falling over himself telling them they did a great job killing unarmed citizens.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... de-blasio/

[Zipperfish]

Xort Xort:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

It don't work like that. Management 101. If you create a "if you don't like it then quit" mentality in your workforce, your best workers are going to quit and your worse will cling on for dear life. And who will replace those good workers, when your company mottot is "If you don't like it, quit"? You aren't going to get the best quality applicants.

Management 101 is for a healthy work place with good employees.

But again what is unreasonable about expecting the police to do their job? If the police hate dealing with crazy people, criminals or having to do a job that requires controlled use of violence why are they police officers to start with?

It's like those few idiots that join the military and are surprised at being required to kill people.

I say a transition into a new force, without all the old established ways of thinking, the traditional police garbage that's been dragged forward into every new employee.

I once worked a union job and the other employees were poison. I can see how someone joining would end up just like those guys. Sometimes when the tradition builds in the wrong way your only option is to start over.

I don't think the RCMP is at that point yet, but they are on that road. A police force that is at the point however, is the NYPD who have decided to stop doing their job because the Mayor wasn't falling over himself telling them they did a great job killing unarmed citizens.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... de-blasio/

You need an environemnt where your good people stay and your bad people leave. In my opinion, you do that by actively hunting down the bad apples and making them either get better or leave.

Your proposed system is essentially roll the dice again and hope for a better outcome, even though you actually haven't proposed (apart from al;ying off thousands of people) how you are going to improve the outcome.

It seems that once again my rapier-like intellect has completely destroyed your argument in a couple of posts. I realize how humiliating that must be for you and you have my sympathy. In fairness then, I will let you pick your broken teeth off the mat and scurry back to your corner without gloating unnecessarily.

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Zipperfish Zipperfish:

You need an environemnt where your good people stay and your bad people leave.

That's not the problem. The problem is intuitional beliefs about how things must be. As for good or bad, that's any work force. The police are not super elite picked by a near impossible selection process. They are just regular people like everyone else with the same bell curve of abilities and qualities.

$1:

In my opinion, you do that by actively hunting down the bad apples and making them either get better or leave.

If bad employees were the problem that would be one method.

$1:

Your proposed system is essentially roll the dice again and hope for a better outcome, even though you actually haven't proposed (apart from al;ying off thousands of people) how you are going to improve the outcome.

I said the problem was the traditions of the police force, not the quality of the employees.

$1:

It seems that once again my rapier-like intellect has completely destroyed your argument in a couple of posts. I realize how humiliating that must be for you and you have my sympathy. In fairness then, I will let you pick your broken teeth off the mat and scurry back to your corner without gloating unnecessarily.

Seeing as we are going to end the post with insults, double spaces at a sentence end is a type setting practice that is linked to early moveable type, but for most people still doing it today, linked to the limitations of mechanical typewriters. Everything you write is wrong not only in content but also in delivery.