[stratos]

Brenda Brenda:

stratos stratos:

Look at it from this point of view how much is your child's education worth to you to have someone else teach them. Don't be so quick to knock a teacher for wanting more pay to do what you are to busy with your life to do.

!!!!!!!

BC is not really a very rich province at the moment. You might want to dive into the material a little bit deeper before you mock parents.

That is f*cking insulting.

hmmm why is it insulting and or even mocking to ask a parent to teach their kids. I did with mine during the summer. My mother was also a teacher. So yes I find it very hard to understand why you would assume me saying that I hope parents are teaching their kids while the strike is going on. Or do you find it insulting that teachers dare ask for a raise when they are some of the least paid professionals around.

[OnTheIce]

stratos stratos:

Brenda Brenda:

stratos stratos:

Look at it from this point of view how much is your child's education worth to you to have someone else teach them. Don't be so quick to knock a teacher for wanting more pay to do what you are to busy with your life to do.

!!!!!!!

BC is not really a very rich province at the moment. You might want to dive into the material a little bit deeper before you mock parents.

That is f*cking insulting.

So yes I find it very hard to understand why you would assume me saying that I hope parents are teaching their kids while the strike is going on.

That's not what you said.

[stratos]

stratos stratos:

I hope parents are taking the opportunity to teach their kids at home and not just letting them loaf around all day.

yes it is

[fifeboy]

$1:

Key Messages
Canada earns an “A” on its Education and Skills report card, ranking 2nd among 16 peer countries.
Canada’s strength is in delivering a high-quality education with comparatively modest spending to people between the ages of 5 and 19.
Canada needs to improve workplace skills training and lifelong education. Canada also underperforms in the highest levels of skills attainment.

I am sure the underlined point can be fixed by restricting teachers pay and forcing them into extra curricular activities. I am also sure high pay wouldn't attract anyone with high skill levels to the profession.

[peck420]

fifeboy fifeboy:

I am sure the underlined point can be fixed by restricting teachers pay and forcing them into extra curricular activities. I am also sure high pay wouldn't attract anyone with high skill levels to the profession.

You're barking up the wrong tree with that underline.

$1:

Canada also underperforms in the highest levels of skills attainment. Canada produces relatively few graduates with PhDs and graduates in math, science, computer science and engineering. More graduates with advance qualifications in these fields would enhance innovation and productivity growth—and ultimately ensure a high and sustainable quality of life for all Canadians.

The quote you underlined is in reference to Canada's issues at the post secondary level.

Unless I have completely misunderstood which teachers are on strike, this is a non issue for this particular labour dispute.

[fifeboy]

And you are correct. However(apart from foreign grad students) the presence of viable grad students reflects on the success of education from k- BSc. You are correct. My point is that good education results are not helped by not paying teachers the money they want. As a retired teacher myself, I also see many other factors having negative effects on education results. You don't pay them what they want than expect to get lower quality staff.

[OnTheIce]

fifeboy fifeboy:

$1:

Key Messages
Canada earns an “A” on its Education and Skills report card, ranking 2nd among 16 peer countries.
Canada’s strength is in delivering a high-quality education with comparatively modest spending to people between the ages of 5 and 19.
Canada needs to improve workplace skills training and lifelong education. Canada also underperforms in the highest levels of skills attainment.

I am sure the underlined point can be fixed by restricting teachers pay and forcing them into extra curricular activities. I am also sure high pay wouldn't attract anyone with high skill levels to the profession.

It's not helped by higher pay either so your point of "you get what you pay for" doesn't seem to apply. If it did, results in Canada would all be up.

You know what, I'd be more than happy than for teachers to step back and let parents do extra-curriculars with the students.

That way, the kids will get a leader with actual experience in what they're doing and one who won't strike leaving them stranded. It also allows the teachers to leave promptly at 3:30pm daily rather than 4 days a week.

[peck420]

fifeboy fifeboy:

And you are correct. However(apart from foreign grad students) the presence of viable grad students reflects on the success of education from k- BSc. You are correct. My point is that good education results are not helped by not paying teachers the money they want. As a retired teacher myself, I also see many other factors having negative effects on education results. You don't pay them what they want than expect to get lower quality staff.

I'm starting to think that this continuous wage issue is a byproduct of a poor system, more so than an issue of actual wage disparity...how far off base am I going?

[OnTheIce]

stratos stratos:

stratos stratos:

I hope parents are taking the opportunity to teach their kids at home and not just letting them loaf around all day.

yes it is

She took offence to this:

$1:

Don't be so quick to knock a teacher for wanting more pay to do what you are to busy with your life to do.

This comment isn't strike specific.

Parents are too busy with their lives because in Canada, this is the economy we live in. We work for a living. Most don't have the option of staying at home to teach their kids.

I don't blame anyone for wanting more money, I do take offence to them using my kids as pawns to get that raise.

[OnTheIce]

peck420 peck420:

I'm starting to think that this continuous wage issue is a byproduct of a poor system, more so than an issue of actual wage disparity...how far off base am I going?

It's the by-product of a system run by unions and greed. That's the problem.

We need to make educators an essential service.

[bootlegga]

Jonny_C Jonny_C:

I taught for 34 years. You bet your sweet bippy I cared about my paycheque; I had a family of my own to raise. But the main reason I got into teaching was that I thought I would be good at it, and I was. And here's a revelation: In order to be good at teaching you have to care about kids.

Teaching isn't standing at the front of a room cracking a whip and spewing forth gems of wisdom. It's an amalgam of hundreds of personal interactions in a day, where you try to build knowledge, attitudes, skills and self esteem in every child for whom you are responsible. It's a skill and it's an art, and it stems from proper training, perseverance, empathy and pride.

There are lots of people who think they would be good at teaching; after all they're parents, aren't they? But there's a big difference between raising your own children and being responsible for the proper education of (at a mimimum) two to three dozen children who depend upon you every hour of every school day to provide a safe, disciplined and yet personalized learning environment in which they can grow.

Some of you will never understand the difference. I get that. It's too bad, but I get it.

+5

[peck420]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

It's the by-product of a system run by unions and greed. That's the problem.

I, personally, think that that is a grotesque over simplification of the issue. I can't help but notice that the 'wages' portion of the demands are always the focus, but very little ever seems to be brought up about the 'why they want better wages'.

I just don't think that this is a simple wage issue. Canada wide, this issue rears its head far to frequently to be a simple wage issue. Some where there is a pretty severe disconnect. Obviously, teachers are feeling undervalued. Why? Is it because they are undervalued, or is it because they are putting in additional effort, and would like fair value for that effort?

It is my opinion that we are constantly fighting symptoms while never addressing the cause.

$1:

We need to make educators an essential service.

I don't even want to imagine the costs associated with making teachers available 24/7/365.

Of very high importance? Absolutely.

Essential service? Yikes.

[Brenda]

stratos stratos:

Brenda Brenda:

stratos stratos:

Look at it from this point of view how much is your child's education worth to you to have someone else teach them. Don't be so quick to knock a teacher for wanting more pay to do what you are to busy with your life to do.

!!!!!!!

BC is not really a very rich province at the moment. You might want to dive into the material a little bit deeper before you mock parents.

That is f*cking insulting.

hmmm why is it insulting and or even mocking to ask a parent to teach their kids. I did with mine during the summer. My mother was also a teacher. So yes I find it very hard to understand why you would assume me saying that I hope parents are teaching their kids while the strike is going on. Or do you find it insulting that teachers dare ask for a raise when they are some of the least paid professionals around.

Teachers do not really work for minimum wage, so you might want to brush up your knowledge there as well.

Maybe you had the luxury to take 3 months off in summer, but I do not. Most do not. Bosses do not usually like that idea and neither do land lords or clients/customers.
We get 10 or 15 days off. Per year.

[Brenda]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

stratos stratos:

stratos stratos:

I hope parents are taking the opportunity to teach their kids at home and not just letting them loaf around all day.

yes it is

She took offence to this:

$1:

Don't be so quick to knock a teacher for wanting more pay to do what you are to busy with your life to do.

This comment isn't strike specific.

Parents are too busy with their lives because in Canada, this is the economy we live in. We work for a living. Most don't have the option of staying at home to teach their kids.

I don't blame anyone for wanting more money, I do take offence to them using my kids as pawns to get that raise.

Thank you. You got it.

[Zipperfish]