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[andyt]

Some people here get all wet describing what they would like to do to he outrageous criminal du jour, as if they hold the moral high ground when they do.

Some profess to be Christian, but sure sound like the seeds their prophet sowed fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:

6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.


Yeah, verily, some harbor the same base urges as the most criminal, but think if they act in revenge they are morally pure.


Thus endeth the lesson.

[commanderkai]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Couple of dumb kids doing a B&E. Dumb...unarmed...dumb...but unarmed.

Not armed.

We know they weren't armed now...but realistically, if somebody is ballsy enough to break into a home while people are likely to be home (It said in the article it was US Thanksgiving when the break in occurred) it's not a stretch of the imagination to assume they would be armed.

Him shooting the burglars as they entered his home through the window they knocked in is not the issue here. The execution of them was after they were neutralized after the first shots was the clearly illegal act.

Edit: If he killed both with his first shots, this would be a clear cut self defense case, and he wouldn't have gone to jail. Executing the second thief was what killed his self defense claim as she obviously was in no position to offer any resistance. At that point, he should have called 911.

[andyt]

commanderkai commanderkai:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Couple of dumb kids doing a B&E. Dumb...unarmed...dumb...but unarmed.

Not armed.

We know they weren't armed now...but realistically, if somebody is ballsy enough to break into a home while people are likely to be home (It said in the article it was US Thanksgiving when the break in occurred) it's not a stretch of the imagination to assume they would be armed.

Him shooting the burglars as they entered his home through the window they knocked in is not the issue here. The execution of them was after they were neutralized after the first shots was the clearly illegal act.

Edit: If he killed both with his first shots, this would be a clear cut self defense case, and he wouldn't have gone to jail. Executing the second thief was what killed his self defense claim as she obviously was in no position to offer any resistance. At that point, he should have called 911.

This man purposely hid his truck so they would think he wasn't home. If he was sleeping in his bedroom, with the gun beside him, and they burst in, IMO he should blast away and not be charged, or at least convicted. Setting a trap for them in the basement is what got him the 1st deg murder conviction.

[Jabberwalker]

I wonder if the NRA is going to pass the hat to hire some hot-shot legal council for his appeal. He really is a poster boy for their way of life and way of thinking.

[N_Fiddledog]

This is what the two B&E artists looked like.



The girl was begging for her life on the tape. After Byron killed her he can be heard whispering about how killing her was like cleaning up a mess; like cleaning diarrhea out of his pants.

It's hard to defend that.

No, it's more like even if you say the two kids took their chances and woke the dragon, unfortunately in this world there are consequences. Very well, would there not also be consequences for Byron? He should spend the rest of his life in jail, and good riddance. His property should be given to the families of the victims.

[commanderkai]

andyt andyt:

This man purposely hid his truck so they would think he wasn't home. If he was sleeping in his bedroom, with the gun beside him, and they burst in, IMO he should blast away and not be charged, or at least convicted. Setting a trap for them in the basement is what got him the 1st deg murder conviction.

The time of the robbery isn't mentioned in the article, so I have no idea if he would have been sleeping or not. He suspected that somebody might break into his home, probably through the same way he was also broken into before (the basement window).

He was convicted of premeditated murder not for the "trap" that he supposedly set (seriously, if I park my car further away from my apartment, that's setting up the trap to have my apartment broken into? Fuck that) and that, through logical deduction, he figured that he would be broken into the same way he was before. Interestingly enough, the article describes Brady as going downstairs to shoot after the first hearing the break in, instead of, you know, sitting and waiting in the basement for them to break in (then again, I have no idea how the hell this guy's basement is laid out).

Even though he did park his car to make it look like he wasn't home, that is not an inherently illegal act. He could have painted a big sign on his house saying "LOTS OF GOLD, JEWELS, AND CASH!" inside, and that doesn't somehow make him guilty for these two breaking into his home.

He had a tape recorder ready I assume as evidence of the break in, but he went far past any self defense claim after executing the thieves. That's the premeditated murder charge. Even though, after the initial shot where the teens were neutralized and not a threat (they were unarmed, and he could now easily see that they were), he coldly executes them instead of calling 911.

He's completely guilty of murder for the executions, but I'm not going to have sympathy for these two. They could have both died in the initial shots, and he would have been perfectly legitimate in his actions because, the moment they stepped into his home through that broken window, Brady would have no plausible way to know how well armed these thieves are until after he neutralized them with his initial shots

[andyt]

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But prosecutors argued Smith waited in his basement and intended to kill the teens, with a set-up so elaborate that lead prosecutor Pete Orput compared it to a deer stand.

Prosecutors said Smith’s plan was set in motion on the morning of the killings, after Smith saw a neighbour whom he believed responsible for prior burglaries. Prosecutors say Smith moved his truck to make it look like no one was home, and then settled into a basement chair with a book, energy bars, a bottle of water and two guns.

Pre-med-itation

[PublicAnimalNo9]

xerxes xerxes:

Then I guess I'm the only one here then. They are robbers. Not murderers, not rapists, not child abusers nothing egregiously heinous. Is a wallet worth taking a life for? A tv?

Is stealing someone else's possessions worth losing your life over? See, that question works both ways. Obviously these two thought the risk was worth it.

I guess I'll just never understand the mentality that one can be a victim while in the middle of committing a crime.

[andyt]

They are not robbers, but burglars. Robbery involves violence. These two were unarmed.

[commanderkai]

andyt andyt:

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But prosecutors argued Smith waited in his basement and intended to kill the teens, with a set-up so elaborate that lead prosecutor Pete Orput compared it to a deer stand.

Prosecutors said Smith’s plan was set in motion on the morning of the killings, after Smith saw a neighbour whom he believed responsible for prior burglaries. Prosecutors say Smith moved his truck to make it look like no one was home, and then settled into a basement chair with a book, energy bars, a bottle of water and two guns.

Pre-med-itation

Except, if no break in occurred that day, would he have still murdered the neighbor he suspected of doing the break ins?

Again, he could have wasted his whole day with no break in occurring, and the article even stated that he wasn't even IN the basement when the break in occurred. He had to go downstairs to neutralized the intruder. He could have set that little stand up to wait for the authorities to come haul the bodies away or making sure, if they survived the initial shots, that they weren't going anywhere to try to harm him or escape. Except, instead of, you know, calling 911 after both individuals were wounded, he executed them in cold blood. Premeditation can happen mere seconds before the actual murder occurred, which was his decision to execute the surviving burglar.

[andyt]

You are mistaken:

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The audio, which was played several times in court, captured the sound of glass shattering, Brady descending the basement stairs and Smith shooting Brady three times. Smith can be heard saying, “You’re dead.” Prosecutors said Smith put Brady’s body on a tarp and dragged him into another room, then sat down, reloaded his weapon and waited.

YOu think he hid his truck, set up the 'deerstand' in the basement, then went upstairs to sleep? He's crazy, not stupid.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

andyt andyt:

desertdude desertdude:

Armed or un-armed ol'wannabe Charles Bronson's intent was never to deter or detain them. He set a trap will the full intention of killing them, which is obvious from the tapes and how he executes them.

Like I said before for someone who worked on embassy security, wouldn't be too hard to secure his own residence for someone like him.

So when next time some one keys your car or breaks into it, you will wait in the bushes with a gun and shoot the first person who breaks in the glass of slim jims it ??

Our house has been burgled in the past and I would kick the bastards in the nuts a few times at the most but never in a million years would even think of killing them.

Just goes to show how fucking nuts some people on this forum are.

Exactly. It's one thing to protect yourself, it's another to plan murder. In Canada our laws are too favoring the intruder, ie even when s/he presents a clear threat you can still be charged with manslaughter or murder if you kill the intruder.

To demonstrate how utterly ridiculous our legal system is when dealing with criminal garbage, allow me to relate what happened to my sister and her family some years ago.
They had gone out for the evening when some jagoff decided to B&E their home. Despite the clear and numerous signs saying "Beware of dog", genius boy decided to go for it anyway and surprise surprise, the dog fucked him up pretty good. Now while neither my sister nor her husband were criminally charged, the little pussy who broke in successfully sued them for the injuries he sustained while being a criminal douchebag.

[Gunnair]

commanderkai commanderkai:

andyt andyt:

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But prosecutors argued Smith waited in his basement and intended to kill the teens, with a set-up so elaborate that lead prosecutor Pete Orput compared it to a deer stand.

Prosecutors said Smith’s plan was set in motion on the morning of the killings, after Smith saw a neighbour whom he believed responsible for prior burglaries. Prosecutors say Smith moved his truck to make it look like no one was home, and then settled into a basement chair with a book, energy bars, a bottle of water and two guns.

Pre-med-itation

Except, if no break in occurred that day, would he have still murdered the neighbor he suspected of doing the break ins?

Again, he could have wasted his whole day with no break in occurring, and the article even stated that he wasn't even IN the basement when the break in occurred. He had to go downstairs to neutralized the intruder. He could have set that little stand up to wait for the authorities to come haul the bodies away or making sure, if they survived the initial shots, that they weren't going anywhere to try to harm him or escape. Except, instead of, you know, calling 911 after both individuals were wounded, he executed them in cold blood. Premeditation can happen mere seconds before the actual murder occurred, which was his decision to execute the surviving burglar.

This is one of those proportional blaming of the victims. Fact is the kids fucked up and carried out a criminal act. The convicted murderer did not use proportional force to defend himself....in fact, it appears it was successfully argued that he was not defending himself at all.

He murdered them plain and simple and there are a bunch here wetting themselves in excitement over it.

If people are quite happy that a well armed person facing a minimal threat can kill with impunity, then we really should be executing a lot more people for low lever crimes.

[andyt]

Gunnair Gunnair:

If people are quite happy that a well armed person facing a minimal threat can kill with impunity, then we really should be executing a lot more people for low lever crimes.

It would certainly reduce the crime rate. And we could bring in a bunch more hardworking TFW's to take their place.