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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:18 am
 


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Interesting little sidebar with no real point attached. Did you know York was where "slutwalks" began?

You aren't suggesting that sexual assaults are the fault of that, are you?


What part of "no real point attached" didn't you understand?


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Getting back on subject for a sec, did I misunderstand what happened there.

I was under the impression the male student wanted the female students separated from the males. A back of the bus kind of thing. Some of you guys seem to be saying no, he just wanted to sit by himself away from the women. Any evidence supporting that?

See cause I heard the prof actually did a full investigation of this, asking the girls what they thought and such, then explained the findings to the student. He apparently understood the logic and agreed to go along. It was the University administration that got their big fat noses in the middle of this and caused the chaos. That's the way I heard it. Can anybody show me why that's wrong?


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Hm, a quick google search revealed that York U has had at least two sexual assaults on campus in recent history, the most recent being last September. It does not sound like a friendly place for people with two 'x' chromosomes.

Meanwhile, every other University is completely safe in a country where something like 95% of women get molested/raped in their lifetime. It's definitely the University's fault, nothing culturally wrong at all.

I am wrong here, it is not 95%. A BC Justice says it is 1 in 17, but I'm inclined to believe the former number 1 in 3.

Actually, I do think it is around 90%, but have nothing but personal reasons for that belief.

Most of the "official" figures I've seen put it between 75-85%.


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Seeing as I've met perhaps 2-5 women in my life who don't have a memory that has been tainted by a horrible event at some point, I think current numbers are extremely low to the point of blind negligence on the part of the "surveyors".

Well to be fair, one of those "surveys" was a psychiatric report on sexual assault quoting numbers and both short and long term mental and emotional effects. Mind you, it's quite possible, if not down right likely, those numbers have gone up. That one report is a good 25 years old by now, but it really stuck with me because it was rather shocking.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 1:48 am
 


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He wanted the alternate assignment provided to foreign exchange students, which I'm assuming allows you to work by yourself. There was nothing suggested by the student about changing the structure of the initial assignment to accomodate him. He asked specifically to be excluded and get assigned something else to make up for it.


OK. Thanks. However, I've looked around a bit now, and I see we've both missed stuff. I'll fisk your post to illustrate.

On the above: more exactly the guy was taking an online course. There was a special project included in the course. He wanted to be excluded from the project. It was the Vice Dean who suggested an alternative assignment.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/01/09 ... 68056.html

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The teacher apparently thought this was fundamentally sexist (I agree, but many religious practices are) and reported it to higher ups to make sure before deciding. Admin's decided his request wasn't radical and was able to be implemented without insult to anyone.


Professor Grayson did do a lot of research before coming to a conclusion. He interviewed Jewish and Islamic scholars to discover if there was a religious imperative to the student's request. There was not. It's cultural.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-de ... e16278726/

The professor's reasoning was not necessarily limited to sexism. He was worried about a slippery slope situation, where if you allow this what's next. Here's a quote from a letter he wrote to York’s Centre for Human Rights.

“I doubt that we would sanction a student refusing, for religious reasons, to interact with blacks in classes even though biblical justification could be found,” (He could have mentioned gay students as well.)


http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/201 ... niversity/

He consulted his colleagues.

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As reported by the National Post’s Tristin Hopper, they agreed to a resolution against any religious accommodation that “marginaliz[es] other students, faculty or teaching assistants.”


He consulted the other students.

Not surprisingly, they weren’t impressed. What if it wasn’t an online course?

“What if the male student asked that the women be seated at the back of the class or on the other side of a partition so that he would not have to see them?” one student asked.


Interesting enough if you read the globe and mail article linked earlier you'll see something similar to what the student worried might happen did happen in the UK.

Now this bit's important...

"the student abandoned his request without protest, participated in the group project, and even wrote to Mr. Grayson thanking him for his consideration and diligent handling of the issue. “He’s a reasonable guy,” Mr. Grayson told the Post."

Also this bit where the bureaucracy gets involved is also important...

"Then along came the great galumphing rhinoceros of Canadian officialdom.
The university’s Centre for Human Rights stressed that the Ontario Human Rights Code “require[s] accommodations based on religious observances.” And York’s dean of the Faculty of Liberal Arts demanded Mr. Grayson grant the student’s original request. He added, astonishingly, that no other students in the class — women, most notably — need be negatively impacted so long as they weren’t 'made aware of the decision'."


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:58 am
 


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Meanwhile, every other University is completely safe in a country where something like 95% of women get molested/raped in their lifetime. It's definitely the University's fault, nothing culturally wrong at all.

I am wrong here, it is not 95%. A BC Justice says it is 1 in 17, but I'm inclined to believe the former number 1 in 3.

Actually, I do think it is around 90%, but have nothing but personal reasons for that belief.

Most of the "official" figures I've seen put it between 75-85%.


75-85% of women are raped in their lifetime? Where did you get that? I doubt seriously doubt it. If those are official figures, can you please link them.

But sexual assaults are a problem on every uni campus. Not sure what that has to do with the topic at hand.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:41 am
 


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Interesting little sidebar with no real point attached. Did you know York was where "slutwalks" began?



Yeah, because a Toronto police officer giving a speech at York told female students not to dress like sluts if they don't want to get raped (advise that Rob Ford's daughter also handed out). The slutwalk is a protest of those sexist attitudes.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:53 am
 


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Interesting little sidebar with no real point attached. Did you know York was where "slutwalks" began?



Yeah, because a Toronto police officer giving a speech at York told female students not to dress like sluts if they don't want to get raped (advise that Rob Ford's daughter also handed out). The slutwalk is a protest of those sexist attitudes.

Which is something some people do not seem to get.

Slut-shaming is so much more fun, ya know. :evil:


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:30 am
 


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N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
Interesting little sidebar with no real point attached. Did you know York was where "slutwalks" began?



Yeah, because a Toronto police officer giving a speech at York told female students not to dress like sluts if they don't want to get raped (advise that Rob Ford's daughter also handed out). The slutwalk is a protest of those sexist attitudes.


You know what they never get into when they tell that story though? I just thought of it. Why did the two cops decide to come to York to give the rape protection speech? Was it part of a wider program, or was York singled out. If so, why?


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You're asking BF why a cop did something?
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It's funny that a 'rape protection' speech is necessary, yet a 'rape prevention' speech is not? (btw, 'rape prevention'-speech: Keep your dick in your pants.)

Blaming the victim is oh so easy.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:05 pm
 


N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
Interesting little sidebar with no real point attached. Did you know York was where "slutwalks" began?

Perhaps I have been out of school and away from pop culture too long but what the #%^,? isa "slutwalk?"


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:15 pm
 


women dressing `provocatively` and marching around saying that they should be able to dress in any fashion and remain free from unwanted male advances......don`t know about everyone else but I can ogle and drool without touching.


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