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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 1:29 pm
 


People still buy CD's?


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 1:11 am
 


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Walmart doesn't charge you a fee to shop at Target either. Yet if I buy blank cds for non-piracy purposes, I still get to pay the recording industry a fee for something they didn't produce and have nothing to do with. Why? If they have the ability to invade someone's privacy and sue them for illegal downloading, why do they need to keep getting that fee on recordable media? That's basically institutionalized theft.
I mean what's next? Is the recording industry going to start demanding extra fees on playback devices because people can listen to/watch pirated material on them? Or computers because they can be used for downloading?


You've obvious convinced yourself that your stealing is actually an act of virtuous rebellion.
That wouldn't be a strawman if I was actually illegally downloading music, or movies, or games. It is, I'm not. I'm arguing the ridiculousness of an industry that's almost as sleazy as the oil industry, whining about how they're getting screwed while they continue to screw "artists" and real artists out of the money the industry complains people are screwing them out of.

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If you are using the CDs to store your stolen music, then they should be charging a fee. If you weren't stealing music, you'd have a strnger argument. As it is, you're just justifying it.

I just said, "If I buy them for NON-piracy purposes...".

Let me ask you this, should libraries be shut down? As I said earlier, they are nothing but buildings that exist for the sole purpose of "file sharing".
What if a library got a hold of your cave music cd through a legitimate transaction and put it up to lend out, would it be theft when someone borrows it?
Is it theft when I can take out a book from the library pretty much anytime I want and read it without paying for it?
I wonder how many millions of dollars authors have lost because of libraries?


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 4:27 am
 



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I buy DVD+RWs...


Why?

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I buy DVD+RWs... But that's it.

$30 for 12 songs, 1-2 of which I might like, not even a possible option for me.

Sorry for going down the easy cheating path. I think of it like a fenced off location that people would like to get to. Except people have knocked down the whole fence line, save for the gate to enter in, 2 miles away. I am going to admit now that I would walk through the knocked down fence area with the rest of the people, rather than watch that and still walk two miles to enter through the proper gate.

Just don't have it in me to waste both time and money to do things the hard way and net almost zero benefits when the easy way is free, quick, and socially acceptable. I guess I'm not the moral hero capitalism is looking for, too bad. If that were my only option, I suppose I'd be a fan of absolutely zero bands. I'm glad it isn't that way, because I love music.


Since when is a CD $30? The majority of CD's are around $10-$15.

Why not just pay the $2.50 for the two songs you like?


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:35 am
 


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I buy DVD+RWs...


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SD cards have a lifespan of about 10 years. CDs and DVDs can have archival lifetimes of 100 years or more. I have PCMCIA cards that are completely dead (also 10 year lifespan), and early CDRs that are unreadable.

Which would you put your home videos on?





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SD cards have a lifespan of about 10 years. CDs and DVDs can have archival lifetimes of 100 years or more. I have PCMCIA cards that are completely dead (also 10 year lifespan), and early CDRs that are unreadable.

Which would you put your home videos on?



DVD+RW's don't archive for 100 years. They likely won't work in a couple of years. I put mine on a 14TB RAID-6. But for portability, SD beats optical media easily. Car stereo's can read them, your phone can read them. You can buy a media player to play video from them on your TV for $20. An SD -> USB adapter will run you $0.99 or so. 4GB isn't a lot, and dual layer discs are unreliable.


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Which would you put your home videos on?


Definitely not a media like CD or DVD...that's for sure.


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Curtman Curtman:
DVD+RW's don't archive for 100 years. They likely won't work in a couple of years.


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Which would you put your home videos on?


Definitely not a media like CD or DVD...that's for sure.


You can't put them on the cheapies you see in the checkout line. Taiyo Yuden/JVC makes CDRs and DVDRs that they claim will last 100 years. The dyes are special and the platters are gold. And they test it to verify.

SD cards will degrade after 10 years, it's the nature of the media they are created on.


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Public_Domain Public_Domain:
I buy DVD+RWs... But that's it.

$30 for 12 songs, 1-2 of which I might like, not even a possible option for me.

Sorry for going down the easy cheating path. I think of it like a fenced off location that people would like to get to. Except people have knocked down the whole fence line, save for the gate to enter in, 2 miles away. I am going to admit now that I would walk through the knocked down fence area with the rest of the people, rather than watch that and still walk two miles to enter through the proper gate.

Just don't have it in me to waste both time and money to do things the hard way and net almost zero benefits when the easy way is free, quick, and socially acceptable. I guess I'm not the moral hero capitalism is looking for, too bad. If that were my only option, I suppose I'd be a fan of absolutely zero bands. I'm glad it isn't that way, because I love music.


Yeah, that is the layman's version of Lemmy's argument I think--an mp3 is essetnially worthless, in an economic sense, so why pay for it?

At least you're honest about it. And that's fine. It's the guys that download free music and then try to convince me that they're only doing it for the betterment of humanity that piss me off.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:27 am
 


yeah, well my days of recording music are probably over. Too busy with the kids right now to dedicate myself to anything too serious musically. I'm still tickling the ivories for a local blues band, but that's about it.

However, getting into making DeadMau5 types of tunes using Garage Band on the Mac and some of my synths, with my son (who's 10). I quite like Deadmau5 actually, so it's kind of fun. I'd really like to recreate "Sail" by AWOL Nation--love that bass synth and the guy has the same kind of singing voice as me. Probably have to upgrade to Cakewalk or something at some point--which I will buy, not pirate. ha ha ha


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