[ShepherdsDog]

wondering what's on his hard drive?

[saturn_656]

Brenda Brenda:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

$1:

That should never be a reason for not arresting anyone or setting criminals free...

Gun owners aren't criminals... at least not yet.

People who posses guns unlawfully do face sanction.

Neither was this guy except for the child porn. At least not yet...

So you think someone should be able to voice their desire to rape murder and eat a child, obtain or build everything necessary to carry out that wish, but as long as they actually didn't do it they should be free and clear?

You scare the shit outta me B.

[Brenda]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Brenda Brenda:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Gun owners aren't criminals... at least not yet.

People who posses guns unlawfully do face sanction.

Neither was this guy except for the child porn. At least not yet...

So you think someone should be able to voice their desire to rape murder and eat a child, obtain or build everything necessary to carry out that wish, but as long as they actually didn't do it they should be free and clear?

You scare the shit outta me B.

That's how the law works. We punish after the fact.

There are a lot of things you would like to be able to report just because you know something bad is going to happen, and someone is going to be hurt, but you can't, and when you try, you are told "They ain't done nothing wrong yet, we can't do anything".

The courts are not for prevention...

Btw, I think I mentioned in a previous post that I think this guy belongs in a mental institution, involuntarily.

[llama66]

Most criminal offences have either an attempted or conspiracy to commit charge.

[saturn_656]

$1:

That's how the law works. We punish after the fact.

There are a lot of things you would like to be able to report just because you know something bad is going to happen, and someone is going to be hurt, but you can't, and when you try, you are told "They ain't done nothing wrong yet, we can't do anything".

The courts are not for prevention...

Fortunately for us, simply planning a crime can be a crime in of itself.

[saturn_656]

Brenda Brenda:

Btw, I think I mentioned in a previous post that I think this guy belongs in a mental institution, involuntarily.

Declare him NCR? Shit why don't we do that with every criminal. Close down all the prisons and put them all in dorm rooms with all day counselling, that'll show 'em.

[llama66]

i was going to say, for those who think we only arrest after the crime is committed, consider the following;

Imagine its Monday September 10, 2001 and the FBI has information, names and locations of the all the terrorists involved in the attacks on 9/11, do you think they'd wait until AFTER 9/11 or do you think they'd take them down immediately?

My money is on the fact that come Wednesday September 12, the Twin Towers would still be standing and those 3000 innocents would still be alive.

[saturn_656]

llama66 llama66:

i was going to say, for those who think we only arrest after the crime is committed, consider the following;

Imagine its Monday September 10, 2001 and the FBI has information, names and locations of the all the terrorists involved in the attacks on 9/11, do you think they'd wait until AFTER 9/11 or do you think they'd take them down immediately?

My money is on the fact that come Wednesday September 12, the Twin Towers would still be standing and those 3000 innocents would still be alive.

I don't think anyone is saying they should have been let go, but if they had been caught they shouldn't spend any time in jail.

Just some mandatory all day counselling. Poor things mustn't have been in their right mind.

[Brenda]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Brenda Brenda:

Btw, I think I mentioned in a previous post that I think this guy belongs in a mental institution, involuntarily.

Declare him NCR? Shit why don't we do that with every criminal. Close down all the prisons and put them all in dorm rooms with all day counselling, that'll show 'em.

You want him just getting out after 27 years in jail? He won't serve 27 years anyway...
And then that would have made him realize the things he was thinking and writing about were wrong because his fellow inmates told him so? Somehow, I doubt it.

But sure, lets put every possible future criminal (including gun owners ) in an institution

[Brenda]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

llama66 llama66:

i was going to say, for those who think we only arrest after the crime is committed, consider the following;

Imagine its Monday September 10, 2001 and the FBI has information, names and locations of the all the terrorists involved in the attacks on 9/11, do you think they'd wait until AFTER 9/11 or do you think they'd take them down immediately?

My money is on the fact that come Wednesday September 12, the Twin Towers would still be standing and those 3000 innocents would still be alive.

I don't think anyone is saying they should have been let go, but if they had been caught they shouldn't spend any time in jail.

Just some mandatory all day counselling. Poor things mustn't have been in their right mind.

Oh well, people who kill others walk free because they 'defended themselves'.
People who shoot holes in walls get 20 years.

*shrugs*

[ShepherdsDog]

If we took Brenda's approach, we wouldn't be able to combat terrorism.....oops sorry, we can't arrest you for planning a terrorist act, carry on boys and we'll arrest you after your victims are dead. He was in possession of child pornography...a crime in and of itself. He was distributing child porn....a crime in and of itself. He was soliciting aid for an abduction....a crime in and of itself. Pick up a hooker or try and hire a hitman. Gee officer, I haven't had sex, or killed anyone yet, how can you charge me?

[Brenda]

I love how you single me out

[ShepherdsDog]

well, you've made some pretty dumb comments, and unlike Xort Bus, you have the ability to learn from your mistakes

[BartSimpson]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

wondering what's on his hard drive?

Ask the NSA, they'll have a backup of it somewhere.

[Xort]

llama66 llama66:

Mere possession of Child Porn is illegal, why don't you understand that?

But not a crime that should carry 27 years of punishment.

$1:

No most normal people don't 'spitball' the idea to abduct, rape, murder and eat a child to another person.

Does the nature of the crime matter? How is talking about robbing a grow op or do a bank robbery any less of a crime than planning to kill someone? Both of the crimes I suggested likely should include the chance of killing someone.

$1:

your an idiot.

Read that a few times and let it sink in.

~

I believe that punishment should relate to actual harm done to a victim, not just how much it makes people question the nature of humanity. My slight Libertarian side is showing.

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

well, you've made some pretty dumb comments, and unlike Xort Bus, you have the ability to learn from your mistakes

It's because you are an online bully. Which is kinda like the lamest of bullies.