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Also, the whip will never be coming back. It just won't. You can lament the olden days I suppose, but the strap can never return. If education/interest (or rather, compliance/silent apathy) can't be made without smacking children around, there's problems with far more than just teachers, students, and parents.
Then what do you suggest since the current approach isn't working? Although it may just be me but, IMO kids need discipline and structure two things most of them aren't getting at home or at school.
So what do we do. Let them skate through school, get a high school diploma and then get turned down for a University because they can't read or write at a level above grade 6? Doing it the way it's being done now we're gonna eventually end up with an extremely small generation of overachievers and a huge generation of "do you want fries with that's"
Or, do we smarten up and start putting discipline, respect and pride back in the education system and no it doesn't have to be a beating every morning to keep in line but,
how about respect for your teachers, and maybe a little bit of fear thrown in for good measure.
Of course for that to work parents would have to become a lot more involved in their children's lives and actually back the teachers with discipline at home. Things which I don't see happening for a majority of families.
You may make light of the "olden days" but let me tell you if you screwed up in school that was the least of your problems. When you got home you'd get it even worse. So keeping your piehole closed and learning was the lesser of two evils for my generation.
But you're right about the system being pooched. Most parents out here if they can afford it send their kids to private schools so they get a much better quality education and learn about those things I mentioned above.
This is happening even more so since the public school system has become a battleground between the union and the Provincial Gov't with the kids as bargaining chips.
I don't know about where you went to school, but here in Edmonton, the strap was never used on dumb kids, it was used on violent and rebellious ones.
Typically, enforcing discipline in the classroom usually fell to the teacher and it was enforced through detention, extra works (writing lines, essays, etc) or downright intimidation. For example, one math teacher used to carry a metre stick around and slam it on your desk if he caught you talking while he was teaching - it sounded like a gunshot and scared the piss out of you!
It was only after the teacher had exhausted those avenues that she 'sent you to the office' to be dealt with. Even then, it was a stern talking to from the principal/vice-principal, not the strap. Sometimes extra duties, like lunchroom clean-up was given, but the strap was the last resort when I went to school 30 years ago - and it required parental consent to be given to you.
The strap was an institution when I went to school 50+ years ago, so I guess it changed in the 20 year interim between you and I. Also for the record I didn't say they beat the dumb kids. I said they beat the kids who were to dumb to stop acting out or being disruptive and I know because I learned the hard way.
But, that doesn't change the fact that there is still no discipline or structure in schools today unless or course it's one of those expensive private schools.
So, I'll ask the question again how do we get those things back in school and society without resorting to corporal punishment especially considering the school boards, education ministries and alot of parents don't seem to give a shit about how their children or other peoples children turn out so long as they don't have to deal with them.
Other countries used to emulate our education system, now they just laugh at it.
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