[Zipperfish]

Thanos Thanos:

Most of the AGW and climate scientists I've seen on TV and the internet have been of the Suzuki/Gore "apocalypse imminent" variety. I shy away from the hacks like Monckton from the other side but the more serious scientists like Lomborg/McKitrick(?)/Peiser who are pragmatic skeptics are treated like the enemy.

I want a solution here but the hardcores, especially the Hansen/Gore/McKibben ilk and the rest of the puritans aren't going to let one happen.

McKitrick? Not so much. he's not a scientist and his main problme with global warming is that God wouldn't have created the environemnt that way.

"Earth and its ecosystems – created by God's intelligent design and infinite power and sustained by His faithful providence – are robust, resilient, self-regulating, and self-correcting"

[Thanos]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

They burned tires for heat in Kabul. Plus all the cars were old (Toyota graveyard of the world) and burned crappy diesel, from Pakistan, where the Pakis probably dumped all their hazardous waste. the air smelled like a burned match.

Yet the biggest threat to the world EVER! is a brand-new pipeline that will be subject to continuous improvement and have a regular maintenance schedule.

See, this is the two-faced leftwing shit that those of us working in oil and gas don't understand. We're subject to the most consistently scurrilous attacks for what we're trying to do but dozens of other incredibly important environmental issues go without attention.

[Zipperfish]

Thanos Thanos:

Yet the biggest threat to the world EVER! is a brand-new pipeline that will be subject to continuous improvement and have a regular maintenance schedule.

See, this is the two-faced leftwing shit that those of us working in oil and gas don't understand. We're subject to the most consistently scurrilous attacks for what we're trying to do but dozens of other incredibly important environmental issues go without attention.

Oppostion to the pipeline in BC isn't confined to the left. There's just not that much in it for BC. And the Harper government has a reputation as environmental laggards, so in BC they weren't buying how "world-class" their environmental protection system was.

Alberta has that reputation too, though I don't actually agree there. they are pretty good on teh environment, in my experience.

But yes, urban folks, generally, live in a technological womb, a fabricated OZ where they never have to see the man in the dirty control room madly pulling the levers.

[Thanos]

I was referring more to Keystone, where wonders like Bill McKibben and Julia Louis-Dreyfus are calling it the end of the world if President Obama approves it.

I understand BC's sentiments on Gateway, even if I believe that a horrible tanker accident at Kitimat is far more likely than a rupture along the pipeline would be. This is a legit concern, but all that "carbon-bomb" horseshit that the enviros keep wanking on about in regards to Keystone isn't.

[martin14]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

martin14 martin14:

95 octane in Italy 1.80 a litre now.

95 octane?

The best we get in California is 91 octane.

Once in a blue when I am in Nevada I fill up at an airport (Nevada doesn't prohibit this) and I get 100 octane for a smidge more than 91 octane autombile 'premium'. Makes a big difference in performance at high altitude.

Different measuring system, I think 95 in Europe is 89 in the US.. the normal stuff, which is now more shitty, because it's E10 in most places..
10% ethanol.. yuck.


The good stuff is 2 euros a liter, but it's the red barn thing in reverse;

No one buys Euro 98, because it's so expensive.
Then, if you are in the mood, you think the gas is old and stale,
because no one buys 98.
So you don't buy 98, and the cycle continues..

[Zipperfish]

Thanos Thanos:

I was referring more to Keystone, where wonders like Bill McKibben and Julia Louis-Dreyfus are calling it the end of the world if President Obama approves it.

I understand BC's sentiments on Gateway, even if I believe that a horrible tanker accident at Kitimat is far more likely than a rupture along the pipeline would be. This is a legit concern, but all that "carbon-bomb" horseshit that the enviros keep wanking on about in regards to Keystone isn't.

Yeah, it's all a little drama for my tastes.

Sometimes I get solicited by the Greenpeace guys on my way to lunch, and I'll ask them about climate change. The level of ignorance is amazing. Some of thing that CO2 is a respiratory pollutant like, say sulphur dioxide or particulate matter.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

fifeboy fifeboy:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Aren't numbers fun to play with though? Just like the claim that human and chimp DNA was 95% the same.

Let me think on that a while

Wow, you sure convinced me

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Well, as a minor departure from what I usually have to say on the subject, I think it would be a little silly to think we have zero effect. We've had an effect on pretty much every other natural system so it makes sense we're also affecting the atmosphere to some degree.
I'm just not buying how much we're affecting it. I've heard too many lies, including about our own oil sands. It appears various sources have confirmed that the W2W carbon intensity of the oil sands is about HALF of what has been popularily claimed.

[BeaverFever]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Aren't numbers fun to play with though? Just like the claim that human and chimp DNA was 95% the same.

It's actually closer to 99%.

[ShepherdsDog]

No....you're confusing bonobos with chimpanzees. This has already been pointed out

[BeaverFever]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

No....you're confusing bonobos with chimpanzees. This has already been pointed out

Both.

$1:

Bonobos Join Chimps as Closest Human Relatives

Chimpanzees now have to share the distinction of being our closest living relative in the animal kingdom. An international team of researchers has sequenced the genome of the bonobo for the first time, confirming that it shares the same percentage of its DNA with us as chimps do. The team also found some small but tantalizing differences in the genomes of the three species—differences that may explain how bonobos and chimpanzees don't look or act like us even though we share about 99% of our DNA.

http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2 ... enced.html

[DrCaleb]

Newsbot Newsbot:

Title: 97% of scientists believe in man-made global warming
Category: Science
Posted By: BeaverFever
Date: 2013-05-15 20:15:49
Canadian

Perhaps you meant that:

$1:

Survey finds 97% of climate science papers agree warming is man-made

Overwhelming majority of peer-reviewed papers taking a position on global warming say humans are causing it

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/c ... matechange

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2 ... ans-causes

[BartSimpson]

peck420 peck420:

Are you putting that 100 octane in your Volvo?

Yes, and it works great at high altitude. In general, it mixes with about an equal proportion of 91 octane that's already in the tank so it's not pure 100 octane that I run on.

Still, when I do the run up Kingsbury Grade from Minden to Lake Tahoe is where I really see the boost in performance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada_State_Route_207

[BeaverFever]

Meh, it's just a headline. I thought about different ways to post a relevant title on here without the title being so long its cut off in the forum scroll, so I snagged the line from the first para of the article that said:

"Ninety-seven percent of scientists say global warming is mainly man-made..." and abridged it to fit the forum scroll.


Anyone who gets their news from the headline without reading the full article does so at their own peril.

[peck420]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Yes, and it works great at high altitude. In general, it mixes with about an equal proportion of 91 octane that's already in the tank so it's not pure 100 octane that I run on.

Still, when I do the run up Kingsbury Grade from Minden to Lake Tahoe is where I really see the boost in performance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada_State_Route_207

I have to say that my 'Volvo impresses me' metre just went up substantially.

Of all the cars I have driven (Ford, Chevy, Mazda, Subaru, Toyota, Nissan), I have never found one with a computer that can handle more then a couple octane points off factory...regardless of what they state.

Hell, I got to play with my brother-in-laws's Evo for a bit a couple weeks ago, and we couldn't get the computer to advance the timing (or boost) enough to make use of Petro's new premium around here, and that was using 94 AKI instead of 91 AKI.