[Brenda]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Brenda Brenda:

It is kind of sad that when you need an ambulance, you pay an ambulance fee, but when you willingly take up time of doctors and nurses while you could have waited a day or two, you pay nothing.

Next time you need an ambulance, get riotously drunk before pick up.

AND make sure you have the audacity to either feed your kids enough booze to almost kill them too, or tell 'em to grab a cab.

[Brenda]

Looks like there's going to be an increase in wait times:
http://bc.ctvnews.ca/health-science-pro ... -1.1062176

[Gunnair]

Brenda Brenda:

Looks like there's going to be an increase in wait times:
http://bc.ctvnews.ca/health-science-pro ... -1.1062176

Best make sure you pack a sammich then.

[Brenda]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Brenda Brenda:

Looks like there's going to be an increase in wait times:
http://bc.ctvnews.ca/health-science-pro ... -1.1062176

Best make sure you pack a sammich then.

And booze. A LOT of booze. Gotta make sure I'm drunk enough when it's my turn, finally...

[Scape]

Most visits to ER do not need to be there. However, the ER is the only place they can currently go. Thus the system is overloaded. Fix that with community based triage and the system will be able to keep up with demand.

[Gunnair]

Scape Scape:

Most visits to ER do not need to be there. However, the ER is the only place they can currently go. Thus the system is overloaded. Fix that with community based triage and the system will be able to keep up with demand.

Yup.

[Freakinoldguy]

Scape Scape:

Most visits to ER do not need to be there. However, the ER is the only place they can currently go. Thus the system is overloaded. Fix that with community based triage and the system will be able to keep up with demand.

That's a better idea than just throwing money at the problem and hoping it goes away.

We just got a bigger, better and more modern ER complete with all the bells and whistles but, we still have the same amount of doctors and nurses staffing it yet for some strange reason the Gov't thinks that this bright new penny will alleviate the overcrowding problem.

You can have a hundred ER beds but if you can only look after 20 it becomes critical at 21 people so the logic the Gov't is using doesn't make sense.

I don't have the answer but I do know that throwing money at it doesn't work and the imminent collapse of the system attests to that.

[andyt]

doctors and nurses cost money too. What Scape said obviously makes sense, but if you don't have enough personnel to cover the real cases, you'll still have this problem. I personally can't see people sitting around ER for 14 hours just for shits and giggles. So some money needs to be thrown there as well.

We keep importing people because we're told it will grow our economy. Well, then, you have to provide the services those people need. And if many of them are working for minimum wage, you don't generate a lot of tax revenue to do that. Min wage workers cost the system more than they put into it.

[ShepherdsDog]

Perhaps fees should be lowered on physicians who come to Canada and need to be certified. Let them work under the supervision of a Canadian licensed physician the same way residents or med students do under an attending. The government pays for their upgrading and in return they have to spend ..I don't know...four years, perhaps....in a rural or high demand location the government picks

[andyt]

The usual Canadian answer - let's import people. We should be having many more Nurse Practitioners as first line staff - they can handle a lot of the small stuff that people come in with. And we should be training our own doctors. Expand medical schools, let Canadians have those jobs, don't leech 3rd world countries of the people they trained.

[Brenda]

And, offer them full time jobs, instead of casual. Why would you go into a profession that can't guarantee you any stability?

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[Regina]

Scape Scape:

Most visits to ER do not need to be there. However, the ER is the only place they can currently go. Thus the system is overloaded. Fix that with community based triage and the system will be able to keep up with demand.

Exactly. Which leads one to believe there is a shortage of doctors. In fact there isn't a shortage of doctors (city) as there is a shortage of family doctors. Most that do not go on to specialize are happy hanging their shingle out at the ER or next door to a pharmacy providing a free office and flexible hours. They make a ton of cash with no follow up responsibility and come and go when they please. Unfortunately few set up a family practice which would alleviate some of the ER clogging.

[Regina]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

Regina Regina:

The solution is to charge $2-5 for each visit and $25 if you're drunk on booze or solvents. $50 if the police brought you there because they found you on the sidewalk or street.
Place will be empty.

$50 for homelessness?

You have enough cash to get blotto.............you have enough cash to pay.

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