[Gunnair]

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

I'm with GF on this one. It's not even the numbers that bother me. Yes the US has made huge scientific advancement before with even more people believing in god, devine intervention, etc. The concern I see, and what I think GF is trying to express, is that while the overall amount of people who believe in god is going down, the number who can't or wont establish their own personal divide between what they believe and scientific fact is growing.

I could theorise that, because the portion who believe in god, creaionism, etc. is declining, those who still believe see this as a threat to the establishment of what they believe. In turn, they try to get more people to believe in it by attempting to legitimise it by intertwining their beliefs with select scientific facts that support their beliefs, and downplaying those that don't. On the more extreme end of things you may have those who now outright are ridiculing science, or are attempting to replace science with their own religious based "fact." Keep in mind this is just speculation.

But do you, as GF has stated, suggest that these people be denied the right to have these beliefs?

[TheFonz]

I'll just leave this here.

[2Cdo]

TheFonz TheFonz:

I'll just leave this here.

Yeah because it mentions dinosaur riding Jesus in the Bible.

[Gunnair]

TheFonz TheFonz:

I'll just leave this here.

Do as you please here, new guy, but rolling in with a handful of posts and moving quickly to insults of those with religious beliefs will not likely result in a good first impression.

[Guy_Fawkes]

To be fair this is the post where you say I wish to deny people of rights and freedoms..

Gunnair Gunnair:

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

Gunnair Gunnair:

You've stated quite clearly I thought that you believed a stated religious belief was not eroding soon enough - creationism. Irrespective of whether you are being coy here, you would like to see beliefs change because you disagree with them - and when you alter those beliefs, you alter their view of God.

So yes, you are advocating they stop believing in their concept of God and convert over to your highly sanitized version of God.

I dont have a version of god, but you are right that if you notion of a god cannot exist alongside evidence you can either stay willfully ignorant or you can progress. It used to be a common held belief that sea monsters were a legitimate hazard, as well as vampires, werewolves and witches were real. Should we allow people to still hold those beliefs and hunt fictional creatures?

Allow them? Just what rights are you advocating we sacrifice on the alter of your comfort level around religious folk?

For a moment there you sounded like some deep south Baptist talking about how terrible it was to allow gays to be gays.

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

Yes because letting people go out and have witch trials is the same as gay rights.

Which I later followed up with,

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

I have ire for the lack of basic care to anyone, but the topic we are talking about is religion so my views will reflect that subject. If we were talking about state sponsored healthcare you would hear my comments for that as well. I dont have an agenda against religion, I have an agenda against the suppression of science for the belief in the supernatural.

In all honestly the subject of creationism as a held belief only bothers because it is such a high majority. If the numbers were flipped around 15% belief in creationism, 32% evolution in w/o God and 46% in evolution with divine ignition, I would be much less concerned about scientific advancement in a world superpower. even if it was 46% evolution with god, 32% creationism and 15% with evolution w/o God I would be far less concerned.

The reason I am concerned at all is because of the massive potential we have for scientific advancement in the US. With the majority of your citizenry forsaking science fact it is hard for programs like NASA or science education to receive public funding.

I am concerned that such a high majority of the population in the US sees something which science has proven to be wrong as fact.

[Gunnair]

Again, how is it in any way your business outside of the personal affront it is to your scientific mind?

None.

[2Cdo]

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

I am concerned that such a high majority of the population in the US sees something which science has proven to be wrong as fact.

Which honestly concerns you how? You're posting history in regards to religion is summed up with "I don't like religious people", no matter how much you twist and spin when called on it.

[TheFonz]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

TheFonz TheFonz:

I'll just leave this here.


Yeah because it mentions dinosaur riding Jesus in the Bible.

So I take it you DON'T believe in dinosaurs?

[2Cdo]

TheFonz TheFonz:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

TheFonz TheFonz:

I'll just leave this here.


Yeah because it mentions dinosaur riding Jesus in the Bible.

So I take it you DON'T believe in dinosaurs?

Yeah thats what I said dummy.

Just noticed where you're from and which team you support, so I'll go easy on you. Life must be tough riding the short bus back home to moms basement.

[TheFonz]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Yeah thats what I said dummy.

No you didn't, oh mighty keyboard warrior, so then what's your take on Jesus and/or dinosaurs, was just making an inquiry, sorry to have assumed.

[2Cdo]

TheFonz TheFonz:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Yeah thats what I said dummy.

No you didn't, oh mighty keyboard warrior, so then what's your take on Jesus and/or dinosaurs, was just making an inquiry, sorry to have assumed.

It's really none of your business what my beliefs are or aren't. But you seem to be one of the dogmatic atheist types who have to ridicule that which he doesn't like.

[Guy_Fawkes]

This is a open forum where people can voice their concerns, this is a concern of mine.

[TheFonz]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

TheFonz TheFonz:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Yeah thats what I said dummy.

No you didn't, oh mighty keyboard warrior, so then what's your take on Jesus and/or dinosaurs, was just making an inquiry, sorry to have assumed.

It's really none of your business what my beliefs are or aren't. But you seem to be one of the dogmatic atheist types who have to ridicule that which he doesn't like.

Now whose the dummy that's assuming, let's leave Jesus out of this, do you or do you not believe that dinosaurs existed?

[Gunnair]

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

This is a open forum where people can voice their concerns, this is a concern of mine.

Concern and drama noted. Question still unanswered.

Also noted.

[2Cdo]

TheFonz TheFonz:

Now whose the dummy that's assuming, let's leave Jesus out of this, do you or do you not believe that dinosaurs existed?

Spin however you want, you were ridiculing Christianity. As for you're demand I answer you're question, see above.

Oh, and you're still the dummy on this thread.