[Bodah]

GreenTiger GreenTiger:

Why do the left wing group/Amnesty group want to sue the Canadian Government? If they feel Khar was abused why not sue the US Army for putting this individual in prison for throwing a grenade at a US troops and killing Americans?

The Canadian government has nothing to do with what this guy did and is not responsible for how this guy is treated.

Even better: He was the Taliban's employee so they should compemsate him.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

andyt andyt:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

andyt andyt:

It would be nice, but there's no legal mechanism for it. And I'm not sure I would want one - what would be the basis for stripping someone of citizenship? I think if we want a free and open country, it does mean we're going to get played every so often. I think that's a price we have to be willing to pay.

Oh I dunno, I think treason and or sedition is a pretty compelling reason to strip an immigrant of their citizenship and send them packing.

Have they been charged, never mind convicted of that?

Who's they?

I'm speaking generalities, NOT a specific case.

[andyt]

Who's they? The people you say committed sedition or treason and should have their citizenship revoked. You know, in the general case.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

andyt andyt:

Who's they? The people you say committed sedition or treason and should have their citizenship revoked. You know, in the general case.

Let me ask you something. Do you like making up arguments and then attributing them to others? Remember how this started? I know it was a whole two pages ago but surely your memory isn't that short.

andyt andyt:

It would be nice, but there's no legal mechanism for it. And I'm not sure I would want one - what would be the basis for stripping someone of citizenship?

I I:

Oh I dunno, I think treason and or sedition is a pretty compelling reason to strip an immigrant of their citizenship and send them packing.

It was an answer to your question, pure and simple. You just turned this into another one of your "putting words in someone's mouth and then attempting to argue the point".

Or "andy logic" as I like to call it.

[andyt]

I'm sure you do like to call it that. But you asked the question and I answered it. Pure and simple. What words did I put in your mouth?

[Brenda]

Again, once an immigrant is granted citizenship, s/he is not an immigrant anymore.
So technically, stripping an immigrant from their citizenship, is impossible.

[andyt]

Brenda Brenda:

Again, once an immigrant is granted citizenship, s/he is not an immigrant anymore.
So technically, stripping an immigrant from their citizenship, is impossible.

Except if they got that citizenship by deception. We did strip one or two Nazis of it, I seem to remember. Don't know if any case like that can be made in the Khadr case. But this is certainly an area we want to step very carefully, not get carried away by emotion.

[Brenda]

Well, from what I read, Khadr was born out of a Canadian citizen (at least 1), otherwise he could not have been granted citizenship yet, other than by being born in Canada. He was 15 at the time, if I recall correctly, and he has been raised in Pakistan. He did not deceive anyone.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

andyt andyt:

I'm sure you do like to call it that. But you asked the question and I answered it. Pure and simple. What words did I put in your mouth?

Wow andy, your delusions are getting worse. Here's an idea, why don't you go look at the top of page two, and then come back and tell me who asked what
What I quoted was exacly how this got started, minus the stuff that was superfluous to your question.

You know what? Nevermind. It's patently obvious you're simply trolling now.
You've picked up some of eureka's bad habits, like denying shit you posted despite it being available for anyone to read.

[andyt]

Brenda Brenda:

Well, from what I read, Khadr was born out of a Canadian citizen (at least 1), otherwise he could not have been granted citizenship yet, other than by being born in Canada. He was 15 at the time, if I recall correctly, and he has been raised in Pakistan. He did not deceive anyone.

What is he now, a racehorse? "Born out of Scuttle My Butt, sired by One Trick Pony"

If he was born a Canadian, as opposed to being a naturalized one, then there wouldn't be anything we can do, not should be want to. (As far a revoking citizenship is concerned).

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

Brenda Brenda:

Well, from what I read, Khadr was born out of a Canadian citizen (at least 1), otherwise he could not have been granted citizenship yet, other than by being born in Canada. He was 15 at the time, if I recall correctly, and he has been raised in Pakistan. He did not deceive anyone.

What is he now, a racehorse? "Born out of Scuttle My Butt, sired by One Trick Pony"

If he was born a Canadian, as opposed to being a naturalized one, then there wouldn't be anything we can do, not should be want to. (As far a revoking citizenship is concerned).

I should have said "he did not deceive anyone to get citizenship".

Wow. You are bitching about THAT??
"He was born as a Canadian citizen since either his mom or dad is a Canadian citizen, or he was born on Canadian soil. Since they were in Pakistan since before he was born, I doubt it was the latter"
Does that suit your fancy better?

Just to clear things up, you can not become a naturalized citizen under the age of 18. To become a naturalized citizen, one has to take the citizenship test and one can not do that prior to reaching the humble age of 18.

[andyt]

I was mocking you saying born out of a Canadian citizen - we don't usually talk like that about people.

Are you saying no immigrant children of parents who become citizens also become citizens at the same time? Say they were 2 when they arrived here, parents become citizens when they are 5, they have to wait 13 years to become a citizen themselves?

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

I was mocking you saying born out of a Canadian citizen - we don't usually talk like that about people.

Are you saying no immigrant children of parents who become citizens also become citizens at the same time? Say they were 2 when they arrived here, parents become citizens when they are 5, they have to wait 13 years to become a citizen themselves?

For as far as I know, yes.

[Brenda]

Oh! turns out I am wrong:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/citizenshi ... bility.asp

[GreenTiger]

Bodah Bodah:

GreenTiger GreenTiger:

Why do the left wing group/Amnesty group want to sue the Canadian Government? If they feel Khar was abused why not sue the US Army for putting this individual in prison for throwing a grenade at a US troops and killing Americans?

The Canadian government has nothing to do with what this guy did and is not responsible for how this guy is treated.

Even better: He was the Taliban's employee so they should compemsate him.

It would be more amusing to watch them try to sue the US Army.