[Gunnair]

jeff744 jeff744:

Gunnair Gunnair:

I've already said I'm going to avoid telling the trolling idiots of the forum to fuck off on a regular basis. Go be Eureka somewhere else.

You are saying that whales are special because they are considered a delicacy, lots of animals are considered a delicacy but we still kill them. All you are doing is trying to force your own moral view onto another group because you view it as morally repulsive, not all cultures have the same view on things. I am just pointing out that the same moral values can be turned on your dinner too because some view eating any meat as morally repulsive.

No I was simply observing the logical calisthenics you feel the need to perform in order for you to justify your position. Comparing the cow raised in captivity for food to sending a whaling factory ship thousands of miles into the Pacific in order to harvest an animal generally considered sentient with significant intelligence in order for someone to have a decadent hamburger is the height of absurdity and desperation, but hey, you went there.

[jeff744]

Gunnair Gunnair:

jeff744 jeff744:

Gunnair Gunnair:

I've already said I'm going to avoid telling the trolling idiots of the forum to fuck off on a regular basis. Go be Eureka somewhere else.

You are saying that whales are special because they are considered a delicacy, lots of animals are considered a delicacy but we still kill them. All you are doing is trying to force your own moral view onto another group because you view it as morally repulsive, not all cultures have the same view on things. I am just pointing out that the same moral values can be turned on your dinner too because some view eating any meat as morally repulsive.

No I was simply observing the logical calisthenics you feel the need to perform in order for you to justify your position. Comparing the cow raised in captivity for food to sending a whaling factory ship thousands of miles into the Pacific in order to harvest an animal generally considered sentient with significant intelligence in order for someone to have a decadent hamburger is the height of absurdity and desperation, but hey, you went there.

How do you define sentient? Mourning their dead? Lots of animals do that. Community? Lots of animals do that too, even ones that mourn their dead. We trap wolves for pelts but condemn other countries because they eat dogs. African villages kill elephants because to some villages they are a pest despite the fact that they are also intelligent.

Whaling does more than put food on the table, we can learn what they are eating, where they are eating, their population growth, if there is a disease going around, if they are eating enough, how certain pods are doing, etc. And we don't have to pay people to go out and run expensive tests, instead they are willing to pay because they get to keep the meat after the information is collected.

One of the biggest ways to study animals that live in the water is by hunting them because people can't just set up shop and watch a pod of whales year round, both above and below water. Most of the information we have on whales comes from hunting them and that is not likely to change. Catches are severely limited and the consumption of whale meat is on the decline.

[Gunnair]

jeff744 jeff744:

Gunnair Gunnair:

jeff744 jeff744:

You are saying that whales are special because they are considered a delicacy, lots of animals are considered a delicacy but we still kill them. All you are doing is trying to force your own moral view onto another group because you view it as morally repulsive, not all cultures have the same view on things. I am just pointing out that the same moral values can be turned on your dinner too because some view eating any meat as morally repulsive.

No I was simply observing the logical calisthenics you feel the need to perform in order for you to justify your position. Comparing the cow raised in captivity for food to sending a whaling factory ship thousands of miles into the Pacific in order to harvest an animal generally considered sentient with significant intelligence in order for someone to have a decadent hamburger is the height of absurdity and desperation, but hey, you went there.

How do you define sentient? Mourning their dead? Lots of animals do that. Community? Lots of animals do that too, even ones that mourn their dead. We trap wolves for pelts but condemn other countries because they eat dogs. African villages kill elephants because to some villages they are a pest despite the fact that they are also intelligent.

Whaling does more than put food on the table, we can learn what they are eating, where they are eating, their population growth, if there is a disease going around, if they are eating enough, how certain pods are doing, etc. And we don't have to pay people to go out and run expensive tests, instead they are willing to pay because they get to keep the meat after the information is collected.

One of the biggest ways to study animals that live in the water is by hunting them because people can't just set up shop and watch a pod of whales year round, both above and below water. Most of the information we have on whales comes from hunting them and that is not likely to change. Catches are severely limited and the consumption of whale meat is on the decline.

You're moving quickly from the argument that everyone should be able to have a minke burger to we need to kill the minke to find out what it eats?

Interesting.

Critter cams have produced some very interesting info on sperm whales without the need to put a harpoon in one and slice it open. In fact, it produces info on social dynamics that blasting holes in them could never do.



A cursory search of the web reveals that your assumption that killing them will remain the best way to study them, comes up short.

[jeff744]

Gunnair Gunnair:

You're moving quickly from the argument that everyone should be able to have a minke burger to we need to kill the minke to find out what it eats?

Interesting.

Critter cams have produced some very interesting info on sperm whales without the need to put a harpoon in one and slice it open. In fact, it produces info on social dynamics that blasting holes in them could never do.



A cursory search of the web reveals that your assumption that killing them will remain the best way to study them, comes up short.

I was pointing out that it isn't just about killing for food, they also gather other information about the health of a species. It is the cheapest way to do a large scale study as it often actually pays you for the hunt, thus helping to find the research the the free information the hunt provided.

How much did we pay for that small scale study that gathers different results than what you gather by actually opening one? Can we pay to do that every year to see what their habits are and how/if their diet is changing? While it gives information the most efficient way to gain information on migrations, diets, and the like is to have small scale hunters pay for it and have them report their information to you.

[andyt]

People eat dog, people eat monkey. There's nothing so special about whales that they shouldn't be eaten, assuming we're dealing with a healthy population. I wouldn't eat it, I wouldn't eat dog or many other animals either. But I am suspicious of the whaling countries not practicing good conservation measures. As long as they do that, I don't have a problem. I eat meat, I can't tell others what meat to eat.