[Proculation]

Bodah Bodah:

I don't know why Qc would want to start their own expensive registry, they have more important issues to tackle, collapsing concrete, corrupt construction industry. They should invest money in these things first.

Politics. What else ? Last poll, only 18% of Quebecers wanted the registry abolished. The french media did their job.

[Curtman]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Maybe. I can't see something that cost a gazzillion dollars being simply deleted, despite what they might tell the public.

Well it's part of the bill that was passed.

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29. (1) The Commissioner of Firearms shall ensure the destruction as soon as feasible of all records in the Canadian Firearms Registry related to the registration of firearms that are neither prohibited firearms nor restricted firearms and all copies of those records under the Commissioner’s control.

(2) Each chief firearms officer shall ensure the destruction as soon as feasible of all records under their control related to the registration of firearms that are neither prohibited firearms nor restricted firearms and all copies of those records under their control.

Whether records exist outside of those or not, Quebec should have access to them if they want to continue having registration for all guns instead of the willy nilly registry the Reformacons have re-introduced.

[eureka]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

eureka eureka:

And that is your idea of what a strawman is? It is the limit of your knowledge of the topic?

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A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

So, your first paragraph you make up a hypothetical scenario using false data that YOU KNOW is false, and expect a response that is impossible to refute. That the logical fallacy called a 'strawman', which you expect people to attack. Except, we aren't that new.

As I've said before; the beauty of the logical argument is that if done properly, any position can be the logically correct position and therefore correct. Which is why you are always wrong.

To begin, it is not false data. Then if you don't know that you must be blind, deaf and dumb.

The rest is BS. It was a strawman and, I think Bart knows it. Whatever else he is, he is not stupid.

[Bodah]

Curtman Curtman:

Whether records exist outside of those or not, Quebec should have access to them if they want to continue having registration for all guns instead of the willy nilly registry the Reformacons have re-introduced.

Since the government hasn't been collecting data for awhile these records are out of date anyways, and Quebec would basically have to start over. Second these aren't Quebecs records they are property of the federal government. They don't have to hand over jack-squat.

Quebec is on the virge of a provinvcial election it's customary that the party in power to appear strong against Ottawa and take a nationalist stance on something , this it. I'm pretty sure Charest really doesn't give a shit either way, he's just going through the pre-election song and dance.

[eureka]

uwish uwish:

eureka eureka:

Maybe they did. It is almost the percentage who did vote against the Conservatives.

Be that as it may! What do you call a government that rides roughshod over the Will of the people?

so it was ok for the liberals to ram it down when they had a majority despite vast opposition to it in 1995 but now, it's not ok?

sorry you can't have it your way all the time.

There was not vast opposition to it in 1995. The majority of the population has always favoured Gun Control.

My question stands.

[Bodah]

Proculation Proculation:

Politics. What else ? Last poll, only 18% of Quebecers wanted the registry abolished. The french media did their job.

I'm pretty sure rural Quebecers are glad to see it go. It be interesting to see where they collected their data. Only Montreal I bet.

[Curtman]

Bodah Bodah:

Since the government hasn't been collecting data for awhile these records are out of date anyways, and Quebec would basically have to start over. Second these aren't Quebecs records they are property of the federal government. They don't have to hand over jack-squat.

We shall see. This judge thinks otherwise.

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Quebec Superior Court stepped in and ordered a delay in the deletion of registry data from that province, following a request by the provincial government.
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In the interim, the registry will continue to function in Quebec — long arms will continue to be registered and the information will be kept for now.

“For the moment, it's the status quo that is maintained. The information will continued to be registered,” said Quebec government lawyer Eric Dufour.

“The information will be continued to be amassed for an eventual provincial database.”
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Mr. Toews's remarks helped convince the judge that the situation was urgent and warranted a safeguard order until the case could be heard next week.

“As soon as the legislation is passed there is a requirement to destroy the data,” Mr. Toews told a news conference earlier Thursday.

Edit: Hasn't been collecting data for a while? Please explain. The bill only passed the senate today.

[RUEZ]

Lives are saved every day because somewhere there's a database that says John Doe has a rifle. True story.

[Bodah]

Curtman Curtman:

Edit: Hasn't been collecting data for a while? Please explain. The bill only passed the senate today.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/201204 ... ta-120403/

Also heard Eric Duhaime mention it.

[Curtman]

RUEZ RUEZ:

Lives are saved every day because somewhere there's a database that says John Doe has a rifle. True story.

[RUEZ]

Curtman Curtman:

RUEZ RUEZ:

Lives are saved every day because somewhere there's a database that says John Doe has a rifle. True story.

Interesting picture. To keep a dog in a city you actually have to get a dog license. To buy and own a firearm you still have to get a firearms license.

[Proculation]

Bodah Bodah:

Proculation Proculation:

Politics. What else ? Last poll, only 18% of Quebecers wanted the registry abolished. The french media did their job.

I'm pretty sure rural Quebecers are glad to see it go. It be interesting to see where they collected their data. Only Montreal I bet.

I was born in rural Quebec and I can tell you that yes, we are glad. Now, I live in Montreal and they can't even understand how a person in 2012 could possess a rifle and want to go hunt when I tell them i'm a hunter

[Curtman]

RUEZ RUEZ:

Lives are saved every day because somewhere there's a database that says John Doe has a rifle. True story.
...
To keep a dog in a city you actually have to get a dog license. To buy and own a firearm you still have to get a firearms license.

Broken analogy. You don't get licensed to own a dog. You register the dog.

[Proculation]

Curtman Curtman:

RUEZ RUEZ:

Lives are saved every day because somewhere there's a database that says John Doe has a rifle. True story.

Is it stuffed ? Never seen a shotgun eat a baby by its own.

[RUEZ]

Curtman Curtman:

RUEZ RUEZ:

Lives are saved every day because somewhere there's a database that says John Doe has a rifle. True story.
...
To keep a dog in a city you actually have to get a dog license. To buy and own a firearm you still have to get a firearms license.

Broken analogy. You don't get licensed to own a dog. You register the dog.

You buy a dog license, look it up. You're the one that brought up the comparison, of which there really isn't one. You have to take a federal safety course and pass it to purchase a firearm, as well as pass a criminal check. You purchase a dog license to help pay for city services pertaining to dogs, and so they can contact you when fido escapes. This is actually a stupid comparison, much like the one about having to register a car. I've actually owned cars that weren't registerd, and I didn't go to jail. It's not against the law, just don't try driving it on a public road.