[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

bootlegga bootlegga:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I'm not so sure too many women choose prositution as a career. All those I have met in the UK and Canada have been addicts of some sort of narcotic or alcohol. Most have been pretty pathetic humans that warrant our pity. They get robbed, beaten, raped and abused. It's a sad life.

These woman are victims but prohibition of prostitution hasn't stopped the demand.

If this makes their lives safer I'm all for it.

Lots of prostitutes you never hear about - all the escorts etc. They've certainly chosen their life because they can make a shitload of money. But, because they work off the street and service higher class clients, nobody has a problem.

No no, Andy, it is NEVER a choice, because selling yourself is immoral. (or something. I'm thinking everybody who gets paid for what they do is selling themselves, but whatever.)

[andyt]

Immorality is not a choice?

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

Immorality is not a choice?

According to Delwin, being a prostitute is never a choice. They're forced. So, immorality is not a choice, but forced on these women.
I'm pretty sure that he thinks that just because he doesn't want to be associated with them, no one can.

[Yogi]

We all owe all the prostitutes a debt of gratitude. Otherwise, just think of the fuckin we would really get from the politicians!

[andyt]

Brenda Brenda:

andyt andyt:

Immorality is not a choice?

According to Delwin, being a prostitute is never a choice. They're forced. So, immorality is not a choice, but forced on these women.
I'm pretty sure that he thinks that just because he doesn't want to be associated with them, no one can.

I think prostitution is pretty sad. Why can't women just give it away? But, it's been with us forever. Chimps do it. So same logic applies as with drugs - regulate it for least harm.

(Re Chimps. An experiment taught chimps to associate coins with food - ie they could exchange the coins for food. The first thing the guy chimps did with the coins is offer them to the girl chimps for sex.)

[peck420]

Andyt,

Why would they give it away?

I don't provide my services for free, and I wouldn't expect a prostitute to either.

I do think, though, that if we are going to make it legal, we should give it a name with less social stigma.

[andyt]

You charge for sex, or you give it away?

Sex worker is the pc term these days.

[bootlegga]

andyt andyt:

bootlegga bootlegga:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I'm not so sure too many women choose prositution as a career. All those I have met in the UK and Canada have been addicts of some sort of narcotic or alcohol. Most have been pretty pathetic humans that warrant our pity. They get robbed, beaten, raped and abused. It's a sad life.

These woman are victims but prohibition of prostitution hasn't stopped the demand.

If this makes their lives safer I'm all for it.

Lots of prostitutes you never hear about - all the escorts etc. They've certainly chosen their life because they can make a shitload of money. But, because they work off the street and service higher class clients, nobody has a problem.

Years ago, I volunteered with a non-profit that helped women get off the streets. Some of those who fell back into the industry went from working on the streets to working in 'massage parlours'. One woman told me she could make more than $100,000 per year, tax free, and given that she had no real skills, felt it was the only way for her to earn a living. She also said, "I'll do anything to make sure my kids have a better life than me."

Everyone, including the cops, know that there's a lot more going on there than just a rub and a tug, but because it has gotten most women off the streets and because the city makes a tidy sum from 'escort licenses', nobody much cares what happens there.

[BeaverFever]

First off, you don'tgive up your constitutional rights when you break the law. The whole point of constitutional rights is to protect you from overreaching laws.

Second, as has been amply stated in this thread already, the government has no business imposing "morals" on consenting, sound-minded adults who are behind closed doors. This isn't Saudi Arabia, this is Canada.

Third, while there is obviously the potential for abuse such as exploitation and under-age sex workers, those abuses are best dealt with directly rather than taking a shot-gun approach. We don't ban driving simply because there are illegal or irresponsible drivers.

The above being said, there should not be a policy vacuum where the sex-trade can just explode in an unregulated environment. When an industry is banned or highly regulated in one jusrisdiction but legal in others nearby, a black-market shaddow industry often emerges. In the US, states with extremely lax gun laws for example, have a thriving black market gun industry that 1) illegally trafficks to out-of-state customers from gun-control states and 2)Generates and feeds demand for illegal under-the-counter sales to locals and visitors alike.

In the case of Canada, we would want to avoid becoming a "sex tourism" destination and prevent seemingly legitimate brothels with a secret "manager's special" in a hidden room. We would also want to ensure that we don't have situations where pimps list themselves as legal "bodyguards" or "drivers" and who take all the earnings as a "fee". Same for Brothel owners charging room and board, etc.

So lots to work out, and city zoning laws would have to be a part of that too.

[gonavy47]

Oh boy! A new venture for the biker gangs to take advantage of! And it's all legal! Thanks Ontario! The women will still be oppressed of course...but what the hell!

[Thanos]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

legalize and register brothels and just arrest those working the street corners or in unlicensed brothels . Mind you, it's not going to cut organized crime out of the business as they have plenty of 'legit' businesses and enterprizes going on too.

Hey! Stop interfering with the fucking illusion! You're crushing the entire wicked vibe!

[RUEZ]

andyt andyt:

bootlegga bootlegga:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I'm not so sure too many women choose prositution as a career. All those I have met in the UK and Canada have been addicts of some sort of narcotic or alcohol. Most have been pretty pathetic humans that warrant our pity. They get robbed, beaten, raped and abused. It's a sad life.

These woman are victims but prohibition of prostitution hasn't stopped the demand.

If this makes their lives safer I'm all for it.

Lots of prostitutes you never hear about - all the escorts etc. They've certainly chosen their life because they can make a shitload of money. But, because they work off the street and service higher class clients, nobody has a problem.

I once knew a woman who chose to take a job at an escort service. Before that we worked together at a sawmill making 24 dollars an hour. Prostitution was a far better career choice for her, she was the stupidest and laziest woman I've ever met. She actually went home "sick" from work so she could put a few hours in on her back. The supervisor had a real laugh when he was directed to her profile page on the escort website.

[andyt]

gonavy47 gonavy47:

Oh boy! A new venture for the biker gangs to take advantage of! And it's all legal! Thanks Ontario! The women will still be oppressed of course...but what the hell!

1. Prostitution has always been legal.

2. You're saying the biker gangs aren't involved now?

3. The women aren't oppressed now?


This way the women can cluster together for protection and hire legit security - sounds good to me.

[BeaverFever]

If anything, Organized Crime will get pushed out of the business, since all the new legal competition will lower prices and make it less profitable.

[gonavy47]

andyt andyt:

gonavy47 gonavy47:

Oh boy! A new venture for the biker gangs to take advantage of! And it's all legal! Thanks Ontario! The women will still be oppressed of course...but what the hell!

1. Prostitution has always been legal.

2. You're saying the biker gangs aren't involved now?

3. The women aren't oppressed now?


This way the women can cluster together for protection and hire legit security - sounds good to me.

If you think for one minute the biker gangs won't end up running this new enterprise, you're dead wrong!