[Gunnair]

Thanos Thanos:

Lemmy Lemmy:

So the answer is "yes"?

More of an omnibus cross-spectrum "meh" actually.

Tapped out then.

[BigBri]

I wonder if this is the work of North Korean terrorists

[Gunnair]

commanderkai commanderkai:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Not to worry guys. Everything is going to be all right. Justin is on the case.



So basically we just have to find the perp, or perps, pat them on their widdo heads, and go, "Ahhhh...poor widdo exkwooded bibbies."

And I see Justin Trudeau just flushed his political career in the toilet. Nice job Justin!

Seriously, that's a fucking stupid statement. Being excluded, or in the fringe of society is what some people deserve (examples of such groups: Neo-Nazis, left AND right wing political extremists, Islamic terrorists, so on, so forth) and there is very little that civilized societies can do to somehow include these fringes, without compromising the basic freedoms and rights we all cherish and enjoy.

Generally, if you can bring them back from the fringe, then you can reduce the chances of this happening. I'd submit he's likely approaching at it from that point of view.

It's hard to read your statement as anything but, leave the crazy fringe groups in the fringe and in the shadows because we don't want to draw them out of there and back into mainstream society.

Yeah...that seems to be working, eh?

[Gunnair]

BigBri BigBri:

I wonder if this is the work of North Korean terrorists

Yeah...clearly.

[Thanos]

Snuh.

[saturn_656]

Gunnair Gunnair:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Thanos Thanos:

So in Justin's view, Mohammed Atta was probably screaming out "it's society's fault!" when he piloted a jetliner into the WTC? Hey, that's interesting to know.

It's the western worlds fault for being relatively wealthy and influential. If we didn't have so much damn money and influence we wouldn't have made those terrorists so angry and all those people would still be alive.

Yeah, because you and only you as the inside scoop that the perp was a confirmed Muslim.

You should write some CSI episodes. Simplistic and done in 40 minutes.

The 9/11 perps were Muslim.

[Gunnair]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Gunnair Gunnair:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

It's the western worlds fault for being relatively wealthy and influential. If we didn't have so much damn money and influence we wouldn't have made those terrorists so angry and all those people would still be alive.

Yeah, because you and only you as the inside scoop that the perp was a confirmed Muslim.

You should write some CSI episodes. Simplistic and done in 40 minutes.

The 9/11 perps were Muslim.

Yeah. And of course based on nothing, the thread will knee jerk it's way into another Muslim blamefest as the usual suspects will extrapolate in the most partisan way possible, a connection between Trudeau's statement and then ham fistedly make comparisons with 9/11.

Ridiculous but many tap out at the emotional knee jerking.

Relax. If they can pin it on Muslims

[commanderkai]

Lemmy Lemmy:

commanderkai commanderkai:

And I see Justin Trudeau just flushed his political career in the toilet. Nice job Justin!

I'll take that bet. Name the amount.

Not a bet, a prediction. In no way would any other political party not use that to attack Justin Trudeau in an election. Even the NDP would be silly to not use such a quote. It was an incredibly bad statement that will haunt him.

We'll see if his career goes anywhere, but I'm sure whatever political advisers Trudeau has right now are not happy with him.

Gunnair Gunnair:

Generally, if you can bring them back from the fringe, then you can reduce the chances of this happening. I'd submit he's likely approaching at it from that point of view.

It's hard to read your statement as anything but, leave the crazy fringe groups in the fringe and in the shadows because we don't want to draw them out of there and back into mainstream society.

Yeah...that seems to be working, eh?

Yes, in my view, groups like Islamic terrorists, neo-Nazis, and other political and religious radicals should not receive clout in mainstream society, and somehow offering an olive branch would only make them feel like their viewpoints are legitimate. Many of those groups hold ideas that would go against the very nature what mainstream society believes and operates. How can we bring groups like the Aryan Nation or Islamic fundamentalists back from the fringe of society without submitting to their atrocious concepts on how to run society?

There is a difference between members of such ideologies reforming and becoming proper members of society, and trying to bring whatever radical ideology into mainstream society so they don't feel "excluded".

[Gunnair]

commanderkai commanderkai:

Lemmy Lemmy:

commanderkai commanderkai:

And I see Justin Trudeau just flushed his political career in the toilet. Nice job Justin!

I'll take that bet. Name the amount.

Not a bet, a prediction. In no way would any other political party not use that to attack Justin Trudeau in an election. Even the NDP would be silly to not use such a quote. It was an incredibly bad statement that will haunt him.

We'll see if his career goes anywhere, but I'm sure whatever political advisers Trudeau has right now are not happy with him.

Gunnair Gunnair:

Generally, if you can bring them back from the fringe, then you can reduce the chances of this happening. I'd submit he's likely approaching at it from that point of view.

It's hard to read your statement as anything but, leave the crazy fringe groups in the fringe and in the shadows because we don't want to draw them out of there and back into mainstream society.

Yeah...that seems to be working, eh?

Yes, in my view, groups like Islamic terrorists, neo-Nazis, and other political and religious radicals should not receive clout in mainstream society, and somehow offering an olive branch would only make them feel like their viewpoints are legitimate. Many of those groups hold ideas that would go against the very nature what mainstream society believes and operates. How can we bring groups like the Aryan Nation or Islamic fundamentalists back from the fringe of society without submitting to their atrocious concepts on how to run society?

There is a difference between members of such ideologies reforming and becoming proper members of society, and trying to bring whatever radical ideology into mainstream society so they don't feel "excluded".

Truly...truly I would have expected something more lucid from you than a suggestion that Trudeau or I was insinuating that neo Nazis for example need to be brought from the fringes into mainstream society so they don't feel excluded...like it's about their feelings and such.

Moving on for greener fields of honest intellectual discourse.....

[Lemmy]

commanderkai commanderkai:

Not a bet, a prediction. In no way would any other political party not use that to attack Justin Trudeau in an election. Even the NDP would be silly to not use such a quote. It was an incredibly bad statement that will haunt him.

Yeah, I sometimes make ridiculous predictions too and I don't back them up with money when I get called on them either. Trudeau, for good or bad, will be prime minister of this country some day. I'm certain of that and I think you likely are too. And "this incredibly bad statement" won't haunt him because it's already so yesterday's news that you're the only person who even remembers he said it.

[Gunnair]

Lemmy Lemmy:

commanderkai commanderkai:

Not a bet, a prediction. In no way would any other political party not use that to attack Justin Trudeau in an election. Even the NDP would be silly to not use such a quote. It was an incredibly bad statement that will haunt him.

Yeah, I sometimes make ridiculous predictions too and I don't back them up with money when I get called on them either. Trudeau, for good or bad, will be prime minister of this country some day. I'm certain of that and I think you likely are too. And "this incredibly bad statement" won't haunt him because it's already so yesterday's news that you're the only person who even remembers he said it.

Well, I'm sure CKA could use the funds if everybody running their mouths off on stuff would pony up on bets.

Either CKA makes some cash or people will learn to shut up.

[commanderkai]

Lemmy Lemmy:

commanderkai commanderkai:

Not a bet, a prediction. In no way would any other political party not use that to attack Justin Trudeau in an election. Even the NDP would be silly to not use such a quote. It was an incredibly bad statement that will haunt him.

Yeah, I make ridiculous predictions too and I don't back them up with money when I get called on them either. Trudeau, for good or bad, will be prime minister of this country some day. I'm certain of that and I think you likely are too. And "this incredibly bad statement" won't haunt him because it's already so yesterday's news that you're the only person who even remembers he said it.

Right, that's how politics work. Certainly other political parties don't keep track of politically damaging statements by potential political rivals. Uh huh. Of course it will haunt him. Certainly once the attack ads and the debates begin, no doubt his opponents will call him out on past statements.

Trudeau might, or might not become Prime Minister. His career might sputter and crumble as well. Who knows what the future might bring, but right now, in my view, he's having a pretty poor start in his political career.

[Lemmy]

Veteran MP and leader of a national party by age 41 is as piss-poor a start to a political career as any one could imagine.

[Gunnair]

commanderkai commanderkai:

Lemmy Lemmy:

commanderkai commanderkai:

Not a bet, a prediction. In no way would any other political party not use that to attack Justin Trudeau in an election. Even the NDP would be silly to not use such a quote. It was an incredibly bad statement that will haunt him.

Yeah, I make ridiculous predictions too and I don't back them up with money when I get called on them either. Trudeau, for good or bad, will be prime minister of this country some day. I'm certain of that and I think you likely are too. And "this incredibly bad statement" won't haunt him because it's already so yesterday's news that you're the only person who even remembers he said it.

Right, that's how politics work. Certainly other political parties don't keep track of politically damaging statements by potential political rivals. Uh huh. Of course it will haunt him. Certainly once the attack ads and the debates begin, no doubt his opponents will call him out on past statements.

Trudeau might, or might not become Prime Minister. His career might sputter and crumble as well. Who knows what the future might bring, but right now, in my view, he's having a pretty poor start in his political career.

Frankly, it'll find traction with the partisan non-thinkers who didn't like him anyway. For everyone else, it's Thursday.

Sorry, that dog just won't bark.

[Jonny_C]

This is a time for anger, and condemnation, and sympathy for the victims. It's not the time for examining the motives of terrorists. If JT had made such a statement a week or two from now, instead of it forming his first public reaction, it would be acceptable.

As it is, however, he stepped in it, and badly. And I say that as someone who's not averse to him.

He gave Harper a gold-plated opportunity to nail him.