[desertdude]

Goober911 Goober911:

Here is an interesting perspective on how Israel is using the old Roman concept of divide and conquer.
Anyone with a hint of a smick of a glimmer of sense can see how the present Israeli govt does not want a 2 State solution.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/18/opini ... pan-region

The current status quo suits Israel just fine, so they can keep stealing land, eventually leaving no land for the Palestinians. They are fine with the gentle wrist slapping they get once in a while from the US or the EU, tiny price to pay for a greater Israel.

[desertdude]

Bravo Chile for showing some balls

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Chile has suspended Free Trade Agreement (FTA) negotiations with Israel and id considering the withdrawal of its ambassador to Tel Aviv in protest against the Israeli bombing campaign on Palestinian civilians in the Gaza Strip.

The Chilean-Palestinian parliamentary group told HispanTV that the Chilean government will also seek Israel's condemnation by the UN Security Council (UNSC

http://www.worldbulletin.net/world/1408 ... za-bombing

[Newsbot]

Title: 20 missiles found in UN-run school in Gaza
Category: World
Posted By: N_Fiddledog
Date: 2014-07-17 19:20:15

[martin14]

And, as usual, crickets from the jihadi lovers.

[N_Fiddledog]

This is from a Twitter account labelled IDF Spokesperson.



There's pics of the Hamas invaders weaponry from the exploding tunnel entrance vid at the link below.

http://www.idfblog.com/blog/2014/07/17/ ... errorists/

The IDF are showing thwarted and exploding tunnels, but where are the exploding Jihadis? Need to know, I guess. Usually you don't get to see the exploding Jihadi vids until years later. Those tunnel entrance ones are going to be classic.

[N_Fiddledog]

Here's a weaponry sample.



I labelled this thread under "Military", so I feel obliged to show you weapons.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Other than it being a UN run school, it's business as usual. When my father was stationed in Palestine in 1947 they were pulling the same trick with schools and mosques, using them as weapon/ammo caches.
But God forbid the Israeli's hit those targets without being accused of committing genocide or some such other horse shit.

[Public_Domain]

[Xort]

The captain of the ship, and the gun crew should be up on murder charges. But they are likely to get a medal instead.

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Now, I'm not sure why that scares you.

Point out to where I even suggested it was something that caused fear.

Nothing? Yeah didn't think so.

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In fact wouldn't such a researcher be exactly who you'd go to if you wanted to follow the money? To a certain extent he is the source. I wouldn't have a problem seeing BBC or even the Guardian interviewing him on economic matters within the region.

What documentational evidence is their to support those claims?

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And he does reference sources such as Egyptian or Jordanian media.

And what sources did they reference? None?

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When he suggests Ayman Taha as the money mover for Hamas, well I can give you a link, but mainstream media articles almost never do. Are they all "propaganda"? Very well, who do you believe then? And why them?

Evidence not speculation.

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Quick Xort, you have to get to Wikipedia to make a complaint.
They're referencing the very article you're demagoguing as propaganda, but they're calling it a legitimate source. #21
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayman_Taha
Those pro-Israel bastards (if you've ever actually been to Wikipedia for info on this issue you know that's a joke, right.)

You clearly don't know anything about sourcing standard for wiki. A media report even if it's devoid of facts is accepted as a source for a statement. That however doesn't mean it's true, just that it is a summery of what was said.

[N_Fiddledog]

Xort Xort:

What documentational evidence is their to support those claims

So we were discussing a mainstream Newspaper article on how the Hamas leadership is getting wealthy while trapping the population in war and poverty. That is a source, and I'd like to see you offer at least that much, in response.

You objected on the grounds you didn't like the writer. You appeared to be under the impression he was employed for some partisan, political, propaganda outfit.

I investigated and Wikipedia told us the organization he worked for, "provides market surveys and consultancy services regarding the Arab markets and Israel. It has been credited for the signing of many joint ventures throughout the Middle East and North Africa, particularly between Israel and the Arab world".

Now that is exactly the sort of organization newspapers go to ask for "follow the money" information.

In the article the guy referenced things the Egyptian and Jordanian media said. The fact that he did is hard sourced in the original article. Go check it out. The original article is linked to on this thread.

Did he hard source links to all the references he might have from his years working in the field. No. Now show me a mainstream newspaper that does that.

He claims Hamas leaders are scooping up the gravy. If you have an expert who says that's not happening, produce him. Let's see how he does under the same kind of scrutiny you're demanding here.

Oh, and on the Wikipedia thing. I don't see why that matters. I dissed it, yeah, but I also used it, because I know the pro-Hamas side likes it. I don't blame them. Wikipedia is all in for them.

And yes I do know how the Wikpedia editors work. You forget I'm a climate realist who doesn't take the Warming apocalypse as the word of God, or science, or whatever they're calling it this week. We've had our battles with Wikipedia over the bias of their editors. Google "William Connely, Wikipedia editor fired" to catch up.

[Goober911]

Hamas is no different than the PLO- All crooked as hell- Arafat had imense wealth.

[N_Fiddledog]

Watch: Sderot Residents Kick Out 'Peace' Bus

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Ultra-leftists and Arabs who came to Sderot in a "peace bus" were met by angry residents of the southern town, which has been tortured by over 10,000 missiles fired from Gaza in the course of 14 years. "Come here with your children," the residents shouted, "and see how you feel when they can't sleep all night."

"What are they doing here, these scum? Kick them out of here," the residents shouted. "Hamasniks... terrorists... you have chutzpah!"

A woman from Sderot screams at the leftists: "You're stepping on our blood!" Others say: "Go to Gaza!"

The leftists and Arabs decided to get back on the bus and drove onward.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/ ... 8lSk_ldXh4

[N_Fiddledog]

Xort: I had a little time so I did your research for you.

The question was what Mainstream news outlets do give hard source links?

I googled "Hamas money", because that's what we were discussing, then I grabbed the mainstream articles.

Here's one from CBC on how Hamas is running out of money. No hard sources linked.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/hamas-out- ... -1.2701140

Here's analysis from the Times of Israel suggesting the fact the money sources of Hamas are drying up may explain why they decided to stir up this latest round of troubles. No hard sources linked.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/for-hamas- ... the-money/

Here's Reuters showing the hamas trade in homemade rockets. No hard sources linked.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/07/1 ... 3220140715

You know who does give links sometimes? The Washinton Post. But if you click them you'll discover they're no harder than the source you were criticizing.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morn ... nited-war/

[desertdude]

Mark Regev having a new asshole torn for him by Jon Snow.

Answer to every question : Khamas Khamas Khamas...much like what goes on here.

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