[herbie]

Yeah the buck stops with leaders advised by firefighting professionals rather than know it alls on the Internet.
The out of country help was not needed and if it was offered yesterday, it wouldn't have arrived a week ago to save Ft Mac, would it?
FFS can't just can the partisan bullshit can you?

[Alta_redneck]

This pig is pretty popular, it seems to have a fan club based on the comments where i got the picture from. I guess I should say it's one of the lost animals from YMM the RCMP is rounding up.

[BRAH]

herbie herbie:

Yeah the buck stops with leaders advised by firefighting professionals rather than know it alls on the Internet.
The out of country help was not needed and if it was offered yesterday, it wouldn't have arrived a week ago to save Ft Mac, would it?
FFS can't just can the partisan bullshit can you?

What part of the wildfires are still ragging do you not understand? This is far from over but hey Trudeau could have gone to Edmonton's evacuation center meeting with evacuees but since they're not Syrian refugees, meh.

[BRAH]

“Eco-freaks” wrong about Fort Mac wildfires. Here’s what DID cause them


Notley NDP cancelled water bomber tenders AFTER anticipating “very busy fire season”

[martin14]

BRAH BRAH:

What part of the wildfires are still ragging do you not understand? This is far from over but hey Trudeau could have gone to Edmonton's evacuation center meeting with evacuees but since they're not Syrian refugees, meh.

^This.

Doubtless some would have mentioned PM Selfie again, but still, he should have been there.
More troubling is refusing help, and easily spending 1.6 billion on 'refugees', arranging meetings with Thief Spence and co., while closing the wallet on helping Fort Mac people.

You would have thought given the economic importance of Fort McMurray, EVERY effort would have been expending to fight this fire.

It looks like Notley and Trudeau didn't take this fire very seriously until it was too late.

[Canadian_Mind]

I don't mind the lack of assistance. The areas of importance are already gone. Might as well let the forest go through it's natural burn cycle now so that it is less likely to burn again in the future.

Trudopehead is still a fucking shithead though.

[bootlegga]

BRAH BRAH:

bootlegga bootlegga:

No, it's not...and even it it was different, two wrongs don't make a right.

He's sitting there pontificating about "leftist service-industry dominated shitholes" and saying only right wingers like himself have safety training and can take care of themselves in a crisis.

That's just a lazy ass generalization and not anywhere accurate.

There are lots of people who have taken safety training and can take care of themselves in a crisis, regardless of their political orientation.

Considering the way the Eco Left has demonized Ft Mac and everyone who lived, worked there his anger is justified.

Two. Wrongs. Don't. Make. A. Right. PERIOD.

[DrCaleb]

Heard on the news that one person decided to stay in the Waterways subdivision despite the mandatory evacuation. He's been emptying his neighbors freezers and things. He also reported that of the 4 or 5 structures still standing in the area, that Fort McMurray Legion Branch #1 is one of them!

[bootlegga]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Alberta never called California for help. The nonsensical claim that twelve aircraft were too many to manage over a fire the size of Rhode Island is indefensible. When we had the big Pasadena fire a few years ago the state had over eighty state and Air National Guard aircraft fighting the fire and without incident. And that was all in an area far smaller than the Fort McMurray fire.

Oh, and even with eighty fire fighting aircraft in operation scheduled flights at most LA airports were uninterrupted.

There's a big difference between LA or even Rhode Island and northern Canada - there simply aren't as many air strips in the Fort Mac area as there are in the areas surrounding Rhode Island and certainly not in the LA area. According to Wikipedia, LA has three international airports - Alberta has two (Edmonton & Calgary).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_a ... geles_area

That's the problem you often seem to forget, a lot of Canada doesn't have as much infrastructure as the US simply because due to lower population, it simply isn't needed.

Same goes for the 6,000 firefighters you mentioned - the area already has over a thousand working the fire and there isn't enough infra to support more of them either.

[bootlegga]

This is why it made sense for Trudeau NOT to rush to Fort McMurray last week:

$1:

I'm just going to come right out and say it. Justin Trudeau isn't a nano-computing specialist and he most certainly isn't a firefighter or wildfire specialist. When it comes to a major disaster like the wildfire facing Fort McMurray, he just doesn't have a clue what he's doing.

And yet, in this, he is showing his ability to provide leadership.

There is a process that is entrenched in our society when it comes to disaster management. In times of crisis, good well practiced processes lead to successful outcomes. So far in Fort McMurray, in a fire significantly larger than the 2011 Slave Lake fire where 30% of the town was destroyed, only 10% of the structures were lost in the city.

An unprecedented evacuation was carried out with as many as 90,000 evacuees fleeing the town with 2 casualties so far, in an MVA. While that loss of life is tragic, the scale of the evacuation is a raging success.

I looked at the Public Safety Canada website and found this regarding disaster management;

Emergencies are managed first at the local level – for example, by first responders such as medical professionals and hospitals, fire departments, the police and municipalities. Local authorities who need assistance request it from provincial or territorial governments. If an emergency escalates beyond their capabilities, the province or territory may seek assistance from the federal government. Public Safety Canada led the development of the National Emergency Response System (NERS) with provincial and territorial officials, which was approved by Federal/Provincial/Territorial Ministers in January 2011. The NERS enables coordinated efforts in responding to emergencies.

The Government Operations Centre (GOC) is the principal means by which the Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness' leadership role in establishing an integrated approach to emergency response is exercised. Housed at Public Safety Canada, the GOC, on behalf of the Government of Canada, supports response coordination of events affecting the national interest. It brings all partners into a common environment to harmonize and synchronize collective actions of those partners. The GOC operates 24/7 to provide watch, warning, analysis, planning, logistics support and coordination across the federal government and with its partners, including provincial and territorial governments, non-governmental organizations, the private sector, and international partners.

Sounds like a pretty well thought out process. Every level of government signed onto it. And this is how the Fort McMurray fires have been managed, with the Regional Municipality of Wood Buffalo taking lead until the fire had expanded beyond their capabilities.

So now today, my social media is flooded with complaints about Justin Trudeau not accepting help from Australia, Thailand and Russia to help extinguish the fire. What an incompetent fool. All of these countries lining up to help with the biggest fire in our nation's history basically and he's turning it away. Clearly he's demonstrating that he is not fit to lead.

The thing about this fire is that it is so big and so hot that it is unique, almost unheard of in Canadian history. And as a result of that it is difficult to fight. In fact, nearly impossible. And as it has grown to cover more than 2000 sq. km, the approach to fighting this fire has evolved from one of fighting the fire, to containing and directing it away from critical infrastructure and populated areas. The Alberta Wildfire department has said that this is too big to be extinguished by humans, and the only way it's going to be put out is burning itself out, or significant periods of heavy rain. When bombers are attempting to drop water on the burning areas, it is evaporating before hitting the fires. Reports have said the fire is burning between 700 and 1000 degrees.

And so in a situation where Trudeau isn't qualified or trained to make decisions, he is listening to the guidance of the people who are educated and do this for a living. The experts. He's in his offices, working on the logistics of what they need, not out getting in the way in Fort McMurray, or pulling resources away from where they're needed for the sake of a photo op. And he's letting the heroes that have prevented a devastating situation from becoming the end of Fort McMurray do their jobs.



Stephen Harper was mocked in 2015 for taking firefighters from an active firefight for a staged photo op in Kelowna, BC

The Alberta department has stated that the airspace cannot safely support more air traffic than it already has. Bringing in more would create a risk, with potential for collisions.

Additionally, I don't think there's a person in their right mind that wants to open the door for Russian planes to be flying in our airspace, no matter the reason.

So yes, Trudeau has no clue what he's doing. But he's relying on the advice and guidance of the people who do to make sure he makes good, informed decisions, doesn't overstep his bounds and Alberta gets what it needs in it's time of need.

http://rs1-22.wix.com/theyegsbreakfast# ... efd5f681c0

[BRAH]

martin14 martin14:

BRAH BRAH:

What part of the wildfires are still ragging do you not understand? This is far from over but hey Trudeau could have gone to Edmonton's evacuation center meeting with evacuees but since they're not Syrian refugees, meh.

^This.

Doubtless some would have mentioned PM Selfie again, but still, he should have been there.
More troubling is refusing help, and easily spending 1.6 billion on 'refugees', arranging meetings with Thief Spence and co., while closing the wallet on helping Fort Mac people.

You would have thought given the economic importance of Fort McMurray, EVERY effort would have been expending to fight this fire.

It looks like Notley and Trudeau didn't take this fire very seriously until it was too late.

Exactly, no one expected Trudeau to be in Ft Mac but he could have been to an evacuation center in Edmonton, Alberta needed him. Notley and Trudeau make decisions based on advice from advisors, the blame starts with them.

bootlegga bootlegga:

BRAH BRAH:

bootlegga bootlegga:

No, it's not...and even it it was different, two wrongs don't make a right.

He's sitting there pontificating about "leftist service-industry dominated shitholes" and saying only right wingers like himself have safety training and can take care of themselves in a crisis.

That's just a lazy ass generalization and not anywhere accurate.

There are lots of people who have taken safety training and can take care of themselves in a crisis, regardless of their political orientation.

Considering the way the Eco Left has demonized Ft Mac and everyone who lived, worked there his anger is justified.

Two. Wrongs. Don't. Make. A. Right. PERIOD.

Tell that to the evaucees of Ft Mac, PERIOD.

[BRAH]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Heard on the news that one person decided to stay in the Waterways subdivision despite the mandatory evacuation. He's been emptying his neighbors freezers and things. He also reported that of the 4 or 5 structures still standing in the area, that Fort McMurray Legion Branch #1 is one of them!

Fort McMurray Fire: Teenager Charged With Looting Gets Bail

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/05/11/fort-mcmurray-teenager-charged-with-two-incidents-of-looting-gets-bail_n_9899160.html
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He saved his neighbours the grief of having to empty fridges, freezers etc while this little <censored> had other intentions.

[DrCaleb]

There's always one in every crowd Brah.

[DrCaleb]

Jaw-dropping images of Fort McMurray before and after the fire

From these pictures, the places I used to own in Waterways and Abasand are both gone. Ahh well, at least I made money on them when I sold them. But the school that was right beside my condo in Abasand seems to have survived.

Things that make you go, Hmmmmm.

[DrCaleb]

The 'Tar Sand' Beetle. I once had one land on a golf tee I was setting up. I gave it a good *whack*. It bounced off the golf cart, and flew away.

'Pyro' bugs will help restore burned Fort McMurray forest