[hwacker]

romanP romanP:

Why don't you go work in China then?

I am in a couple of weeks, 3 GM plants in China. You know the jobs that won't be in Canada or the USA in about 2 years.

But why I’m I telling a world traveler like yourself, you already know this.

[romanP]

Can'tAm1 Can'tAm1:

romanP romanP:

Can'tAm1 Can'tAm1:

The pro murder crowd is just looking for ways to avoid consequences of poor decision making. Just watch an abortion video and see if you still feel the same. Better yet go to a live viewing if possible, if you come out of that with the same feelings your conscience is seared.

Why, so I can make the same, irrational, emotional appeals you're making?

No. So you can inform yourself you self righteos twit.

That's not information, that's propaganda designed to evoke an irrational, emotional response with images taken out of context.

$1:

A mortar on a pregnant woman is a tragedy killing an enemy is self preservation. Abortion has nothing to do with self preservation you ignorant f@$^#$#@.

Not even when it would save the mother's life?

[Zipperfish]

CanAm1 CanAm1:

No. So you can inform yourself you self righteos twit.
A mortar on a pregnant woman is a tragedy killing an enemy is self preservation. Abortion has nothing to do with self preservation you ignorant f@$^#$#@.

No, I disagree. When you go to war, you know, in advance, that you are going to kill pregnant women and infants. You may go out of your way to minimize "collateral damage," but such damage is a reality of every war. Therefore, when you choose to go to war you choose to kill--including killing women and children--because you deem such deaths as worthwhile in furtherance of some other policy goal.

I'm not crazy about abortion, but I support it, grudgingly. I view the deaths as a tragedy, but one I deem them worthwhile in furtherance of another goal--freedom for women.

[Brenda]

lily lily:

Brenda Brenda:

$1:

Abortion has nothing to do with self preservation you ignorant f@$^#$#@.

Oh? I respectfully disagree here. Abortion has everything to do with selfpreservation.
That is why it is called narcissistic by people like AR... Once pregnant, you are not allowed to choose for yourself. You have to set yourself aside for the next 20 years (at least), whether you are capable of that or not...

Or you could give the baby up for adoption - open or closed, your choice - to a couple that desperately wants to be a family.

There are a lot of kids waiting for an adoptive family. At least here. I see commercials for it on tv every day

Then again, it is not up to anyone else but me what I do with my body. Maybe I can't handle carrying a child, there are a lot of reasons why women choose for abortion instead of carrying to term and give away. Maybe you think their reasons are not valid, to them, they are.

I'd rather see no abortions at all, but that is Utopia. If you can't have it done legally, women will use knitting pins again. That is not a real option either. So being able to have it done clean and with little risk, sounds better to me than dirty, in some kind of backroom, by someone who has no clue, or women (girls) doing it to themselves...

[romanP]

hwacker hwacker:

romanP romanP:

hwacker hwacker:

Once they are out and people shape them into things

Unless they're on the receiving end of a 60lb howitzer shell before they're ever born. Then it's okay.

Yep because at that point it's about them and us, and i'll take us everytime.

So, life doesn't actually matter to you, you're just being a selfish prick.

[CanAm1]

I have to leave this discussion. I am getting angry and will not play nice when I get home. Have a great day everyone!

[hwacker]

romanP romanP:

So, life doesn't actually matter to you, you're just being a selfish prick.

Yep thats me, I care about where my people came from and are, thats it. the rest can pound salt

[romanP]

hwacker hwacker:

romanP romanP:

hwacker hwacker:

Killing a baby, thats all you need to know.

How is killing an unborn baby that is wanted the same as killing an unborn baby that is unwanted?

There we have it folks. it took 24 pages of shit to get one idiot to say it.

I kill vegetables with my fork. I do not consider a gestating peice of unconscious flesh to be a human being, as it has not and is incapable of contributing anything to the world. It does not matter to me if such a thing is killed.

[Brenda]

hwacker hwacker:

romanP romanP:

So, life doesn't actually matter to you, you're just being a selfish prick.

Yep thats me, I care about where my people came from and are, thats it. the rest can pound salt

then why are you so oposed to abortion, if you don't care at all? Obviously, you don't care about the women, nor about the fetuses.

What is it to you?

[hwacker]

romanP romanP:

I kill vegetables with my fork. I do not consider a gestating peice of unconscious flesh to be a human being, as it has not and is incapable of contributing anything to the world. It does not matter to me if such a thing is killed.

Well then you should just end it now. please do us all a favor

[CanAm1]

Brenda Brenda:

lily lily:

Brenda Brenda:

Oh? I respectfully disagree here. Abortion has everything to do with selfpreservation.
That is why it is called narcissistic by people like AR... Once pregnant, you are not allowed to choose for yourself. You have to set yourself aside for the next 20 years (at least), whether you are capable of that or not...

Or you could give the baby up for adoption - open or closed, your choice - to a couple that desperately wants to be a family.

There are a lot of kids waiting for an adoptive family. At least here. I see commercials for it on tv every day

Then again, it is not up to anyone else but me what I do with my body. Maybe I can't handle carrying a child, there are a lot of reasons why women choose for abortion instead of carrying to term and give away. Maybe you think their reasons are not valid, to them, they are.

I'd rather see no abortions at all, but that is Utopia. If you can't have it done legally, women will use knitting pins again. That is not a real option either. So being able to have it done clean and with little risk, sounds better to me than dirty, in some kind of backroom, by someone who has no clue, or women (girls) doing it to themselves...

Actually Brenda I think if abortion was illegal I think there would be millionsof babies born and given up for adoption. While you may see the rare knitting needle incident most people would start to accept resposibility for their actions.

[romanP]

hwacker hwacker:

romanP romanP:

It's all the same planet, and we're all people, dummy. Do you honestly think that if Canada has more children, it won't affect the rest of the world? The laws of thermodynamics transcend political borders.

You're insane. get out of Canada and see the world before you yap.

No, I'm quite sane, and certain that we are living on the same planet, with the same people. If you are unsure of this, I suggest you take a look outside. If you are unsure of the laws of thermodynamics, I would like to sell you my plans for a perpetual motion machine.

[hwacker]

Brenda Brenda:

then why are you so oposed to abortion, if you don't care at all? Obviously, you don't care about the women, nor about the fetuses.

What is it to you?

He's talking about war and how i should care about the other side. i've stated my ground as to why.

[romanP]

CanAm1 CanAm1:

Brenda Brenda:

$1:

Abortion has nothing to do with self preservation you ignorant f@$^#$#@.

Oh? I respectfully disagree here. Abortion has everything to do with selfpreservation.
That is why it is called narcissistic by people like AR... Once pregnant, you are not allowed to choose for yourself. You have to set yourself aside for the next 20 years (at least), whether you are capable of that or not...

Brenda it's not in the same vein as fighting a war. Self preservation for medical reasons I'm ok with, rape too. But the light that Roman P made is invalid.

It's completely valid. You're just uncomfortable with admitting it.

[romanP]

lily lily:

romanP romanP:

How can you be confused by this? Do you too hold the incredibly, dangerously naive belief that wars are just about "two guys on a battlefield" and don't hurt anyone else?

I had to think about what antithesis meant and work through the double negatives.

There aren't any double negatives.

$1:

If war is the antithesis of the anti-abortion stance, does it follow that it's the equal to the pro-abortion stance?

No, because civilians do not have much choice about living in a warzone.