[BartSimpson]

From the 'racist' interview with Bundy comes this:

Cliven Bundy Cliven Bundy:

Now, let me talk about the Spanish people. You know I understand that they come over here against our constitution and cross our borders. But they’re here and they’re people – and I’ve worked side-by-side a lot of them.
Don’t tell me they don’t work, and don’t tell me they don’t pay taxes. And don’t tell me they don’t have better family structure than most of us white people. When you see those Mexican families, they’re together, they picnic together, they’re spending their time together, and I’ll tell you in my way of thinking they’re awful nice people.

And we need to have those people join us and be with us…. not, not come to our party.

Who wants to denounce this man as a 'racist' for saying this? Hmmm?

[N_Fiddledog]

Check this one out.

http://vladtepesblog.com/2014/04/24/cnn ... narrative/

It puts the CNN out of context Bundy clip and biased presentation of story next to the full quote of what Bundy actually said.

[Zipperfish]

BRAH BRAH:

His delivery was less than desirable but when you look at his point you can't deny he's right because the black community has become slaves to the system of the Federal Government and when they come to seize your land, personal property etc the color of your skin doesn't matter.

There is very little government control in Somalia and Sudan right now. They must be absolute paradises to live in.

[Zipperfish]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

From the 'racist' interview with Bundy comes this:

Cliven Bundy Cliven Bundy:

Now, let me talk about the Spanish people. You know I understand that they come over here against our constitution and cross our borders. But they’re here and they’re people – and I’ve worked side-by-side a lot of them.
Don’t tell me they don’t work, and don’t tell me they don’t pay taxes. And don’t tell me they don’t have better family structure than most of us white people. When you see those Mexican families, they’re together, they picnic together, they’re spending their time together, and I’ll tell you in my way of thinking they’re awful nice people.

And we need to have those people join us and be with us…. not, not come to our party.

Who wants to denounce this man as a 'racist' for saying this? Hmmm?

I do. When you say Negroes were better off as slaves, you're a racist. It's really not that much of a stretch.

[Thanos]

$1:

It isn’t enough to say I don’t agree with what he said. This is a despicable statement. It’s not the statement, you have to disassociate yourself entirely from the man. It’s not like the words exist here and the man exists here. And why conservatives, or some conservatives end up in bed with people who, you know, he makes an anti-government statement, he takes an anti-government stand, he wears a nice big hat and he rides a horse, and all of a sudden he is a champion of democracy …

Look, do I have the right to go in to graze sheep in Central Park? I think not. You have to have some respect for the federal government, some respect for our system. And to say you don’t and you don’t recognize it and that makes you a conservative hero, to me, is completely contradictory, and rather appalling. And he has now proved it.

– Charles Krauthammer.

[Thanos]

Also, from an Andrew Sullivan reader today:

$1:

I live in a very pro-agriculture and ranching area of the country, and I am friends with a quite a few Republicans who are part-time ranchers/farmers, some of whom teach at our local state U, a land grant university that has the biggest Agriculture and Natural Resources programs in the state. Both my older kids majored in Wildlife/Natural Resources in that College, and even if that is the most “liberal” degree there, they’re still close friends with the teachers and the kids from all the departments. My oldest now works with our State Land Office that manages ranching, oil and gas and other leases of state lands as well as the income derived from those leases. I guess this makes me a little bit of an “insider’ on this issue, and this is what I’ve seen.

The Bundy story, at first, tugged at everybody’s heartstrings because the family farmer is truly an endangered species all over America, and anyone who cares about that–or of the quality of your environment or the health and safety of your food – is pretty sad to see that way of life disappearing. And here in the west there are very legitimate points about land and water use and the government’s land grabbing ways that both the conservative and liberal sides can agree on. But very quickly, as the facts became known that he was basically associating with crazy militia types and was just giving a finger to the very same laws my friends obey on a daily basis – he lost all the sane people.


The ranchers/farmers I know all want the environment to be sustainable for the future and do work closely with the Feds to help that happen. They want to be able to share the land with hunters, fishermen and campers. They follow the rules about getting permission to use Federal State land and for the rotation of grazing locations; they pay their very reasonable grazing and water use fees – and still show a good profit afterwards. Yes, New Mexico has a couple of small family ranchers who are dug in righty nut-jobs that have been fighting the Federal Government on everything from wolf reintroduction programs to free ranging rights because they think they should be able to graze their cows anywhere they want in our National Forest – but for the most part, they are isolated and don’t represent the major users of Federal land.

It also doesn’t hurt that in poverty-ridden New Mexico, between the Feds PILT income and the leases paid to our State Land Office, we take in millions and millions of dollars of precious income that is channeled directly into our schools and other important public services, and everyone knows it.

The thing that gets me is that these same Republicans share almost all of my values. They’re live and let live on issues like gay marriage, abortion. My friends think what Cliven Bundy spouts about race and his crazy political beliefs are all dead wrong. They recognize that he is a cheater and has not paid his fair share any more than the “lazy welfare recipients” he derides. Give the gridlock we’ve seen over the past few years, they totally hate Congress for it’s worthless political games and failure to do anything good anymore. They’re angry that defense of us from terrorists has turned us into a country perpetually at war and into a surveillance state. Of course, they still blame Obama for pretty much everything, cuz God knows the President can just wave a magic wand to make the world change. But in contrast to years past, they seem to me to be disillusioned, frustrated, a little sad, confused, and not very sure of just what the future holds anymore.

Sadly, they still see themselves as lifelong Republicans, members of a party that no longer exists to serve them, but rather, exploit their fear and sense of hopelessness in order to elect oligarchs to power. It’s like a church that you don’t agree with but dang it, it’s the church you were baptized in and all your friends and family are there so you remain a member even if you don’t follow it’s dictates anymore. I am so hoping that because this latest stunt hits so close to home, my friends take note of how despicable this party and its spokespeople are in trying to hoodwink THEM into thinking it’s only about low taxes and self reliance and freedom from government intrusion into their private lives. I keep hoping all the really decent, old-fashioned Republicans I know start taking the party back from the liars and cheats and scofflaws who control it now.

So, once again,

[Gunnair]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

From the 'racist' interview with Bundy comes this:

Cliven Bundy Cliven Bundy:

Now, let me talk about the Spanish people. You know I understand that they come over here against our constitution and cross our borders. But they’re here and they’re people – and I’ve worked side-by-side a lot of them.
Don’t tell me they don’t work, and don’t tell me they don’t pay taxes. And don’t tell me they don’t have better family structure than most of us white people. When you see those Mexican families, they’re together, they picnic together, they’re spending their time together, and I’ll tell you in my way of thinking they’re awful nice people.

And we need to have those people join us and be with us…. not, not come to our party.

Who wants to denounce this man as a 'racist' for saying this? Hmmm?

You were clearly not a good dodgeball player.

[BartSimpson]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

When you say Negroes were better off as slaves, you're a racist. It's really not that much of a stretch.

I don't see that as 'racism'. It's perhaps paternalistic and nakedly pragmatic, but it's not racist in the classical sense of racists thinking they're better than someone else.

In the same vein of what Bundy said it's hard not to think that certain Caucasian folks would be better off in serfdom than in the circumstances where they have the freedom and liberty to be a danger to themselves.

A few people come to mind for me:

[Public_Domain]

[BRAH]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

BRAH BRAH:

His delivery was less than desirable but when you look at his point you can't deny he's right because the black community has become slaves to the system of the Federal Government and when they come to seize your land, personal property etc the color of your skin doesn't matter.

There is very little government control in Somalia and Sudan right now. They must be absolute paradises to live in.

Somalia and the Sudan has nothing to do with what's going on in the US right now so why bring it up?

[BRAH]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Basically what Reid and the boys pulled off here is just what I call "Sneaky Prog Trick #113b", or the "The Todd Akin Technique".

You remember Todd Akin from the last American elections, right?

I'll respark the memory.

Claire MacCaskill, Democratic senator from Missouri was up for re-election. The district had turned flaming red Republican, and she didn't appear to have a chance. She was the incumbent. Her last term had been filled with lies and corruption. She was not well liked. You could have damn near ran a goat under the Republican banner and won.

However...there was a Republican primary. The Dems picked their target. Old, Social Conservative Todd Akin could be relied on to run off at the mouth. McCaskill's team crafted a series of ads claiming Akin was the true Conservative in the campaign and seemed to suggest they were afraid of him. It was, "Please Br'er Fox don't throw me in the briar patch" (if you know that one).

Akin wasn't expected to win, but he did. The real campaign began against McCaskill and all of a sudden an interview turned up from a democrat flavored talk show host where Akin was talking about how women could will themselves not to get pregnant in cases of what he called "Legitimate Rape". The interview had been made during the Republican primary, but they waited until the general election against McCaskill to spring it on the general public, and the larger leftist media then sprang into action with foam at the mouths, making it a number one story.

Miraculously McCaskill won. Statistics showed the Conservative voters did not show up at the polls.

This is what the dirty deed Dems are trying to do again with Bundy.

They knew he was an old-timer, cowboy, bit of a bigot who could be relied on to run off at the mouth with the right prompting. One could ask how he even got on the subject of black people in Las Vegas. It was a press interview, wasn't it?

But this is not about Bundy. It never has been. The government is campaigning against private property in Texas, New Mexico, Wyoming...Hell in Wyoming they're want a whole city.

Bundy was just the weak link. He was just the guy you could rely on to say or do something stupid, then you do what you really want to do when people are too discouraged to fight back.

I don't think it will work this time though.

I heard about Akin's comment which the Left spun into their "The Rights War on Women" propaganda. Conservative voters are the biggest whiners because their if the candidate isn't Conservative enough I'm not voting for him plays into the Left's hands everytime via two terms Obama.

[Zipperfish]

BRAH BRAH:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

BRAH BRAH:

His delivery was less than desirable but when you look at his point you can't deny he's right because the black community has become slaves to the system of the Federal Government and when they come to seize your land, personal property etc the color of your skin doesn't matter.

There is very little government control in Somalia and Sudan right now. They must be absolute paradises to live in.

Somalia and the Sudan has nothing to do with what's going on in the US right now so why bring it up?

Because that's what happens when you have no government. In most of Somalia you are absolutely free to do whatever you want, with no government interference. You are free to be dirt poor and spend most of your time trying to get enough to eat while fleeing rampaging marauders.

When you are a slave, you are owned. You can beaten, raped, robbed, even killed. Your children can be sold, never to be seen by you again. Your parents can be sold. You forced to work in chains. You have no rights and no freedom. To compare real slavery to this metaphorical "slavery" at the hands of the federal government in contemporary America is ludicrous.

[BartSimpson]

Public_Domain Public_Domain:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Cliven Bundy Cliven Bundy:

Now, let me talk about the Spanish people. You know I understand that they come over here against our constitution and cross our borders.

I'm truly interested; what part of the American Constitution relegates the US to isolationism and protectionism? I know that it used to have a special clause for "immigrant labour"... How about nowadays though?

I'm curious as to why your country is far more aggressive in terms of immigration than mine. Feel free to lecture the USA about opening our borders as soon as Canada opens yours. Until then sod off.

[BRAH]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Because that's what happens when you have no government. In most of Somalia you are absolutely free to do whatever you want, with no government interference. You are free to be dirt poor and spend most of your time trying to get enough to eat while fleeing rampaging marauders.

When you are a slave, you are owned. You can beaten, raped, robbed, even killed. Your children can be sold, never to be seen by you again. Your parents can be sold. You forced to work in chains. You have no rights and no freedom. To compare real slavery to this metaphorical "slavery" at the hands of the federal government in contemporary America is ludicrous.

The black community much like the native community in Canada are slaves to the system of the Federal Government that continues to hold them back instead of being able to move forward.

As for Somaila and the Sudan sooner or later the West is going to have to go back and try to restore some kind of order but current Western leaders don't have the appetite for what it would take because they wouldn't have the support of the people to do it.

[Gunnair]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Feel free to lecture the USA about opening our borders as soon as Canada opens yours. Until then sod off.

Lot of butthurt from a guy who makes a habit of haunting a Canadian forum and regularly lecturing us on how we should run the show. Don't like it, no need to hang here and offer your opinions.