[Robair]

When they interviewd his mom, she said he hasn't left Sparwood. She said he spends most of his time in the bush, up old logging roads etc.

Sounds like Momma knows her boy.

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

You're not saying they put out a phony Amber alert, are you? I can't see that.

No, I am not saying that.

$1:

Just booting it across the country if you know you're wanted probably isn't a smart move either. Sounds like he was on foot when caught - maybe he ran out of gas/money, or the car broke down.

Then where is it?

[Brenda]

Robair Robair:

When they interviewd his mom, she said he hasn't left Sparwood. She said he spends most of his time in the bush, up old logging roads etc.

Sounds like Momma knows her boy.

500 or so volunteers combed the region... Helicopters have been flying almost non-stop.

WHY is he linked to this?

[andyt]

I don't think there's anything so strange about this case. The guy took the kid - happens all the time. He's not a sexual predator, just nuts, so his reason for taking the kid was some nutty scheme of his. He came to his senses and decided to return the kid. They weren't watching the house because the was nothing to watch and they didn't expect him to return the kid to the house, or alternatively they did expect him to do so and wanted to make it easy for him.

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

I don't think there's anything so strange about this case. The guy took the kid - happens all the time.

How do you know? Do you have facts?

$1:

He's not a sexual predator, just nuts,

I think you are right about that tho.

$1:

so his reason for taking the kid was some nutty scheme of his. He came to his senses and decided to return the kid.

Guilty until proven innocent, huh...

$1:

They weren't watching the house because the was nothing to watch and they didn't expect him to return the kid to the house, or alternatively they did expect him to do so and wanted to make it easy for him.

Nonsense. You ask him to return him to a safe place, and apparently they know this man VERY well, but they cannot figure out that he might bring the boy back where he found him?
If you want to make it easy for him, you make sure you have camera's there.
Every freaking store has camera's, every one has cell phones with camera's, but you cannot put camera's up while you have a missing 3 year old.

Who was kidnapped in the middle of the night, from a house where 10 people live. 8 kids. And you do not lock your doors while one of your children has a history of sleepwalking?

[andyt]

OK, Columbo, let's hear your version.

[Brenda]

http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/loca ... lumbiaHome

$1:

Police are releasing very few details about where Kienan was during his disappearance, and say they will not reveal what the youngster has told him

I heard dad say ON TV that Kienan could not talk.

$1:

After Kienan was returned home, the search to find the suspect intensified.

Ok then...
Let's hope that that is just bad journalism...

[ShepherdsDog]

They said he was 3 and has limited verbal skills.

[Gunnair]

Macguyver Macguyver:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Do I read correctly that you guys think this was a con job of some kind?

I'm not sure if it is a "con job".

But my gut tells me something is not quite right.

That's a little vague. What ain't adding up here for you?

[herbie]

They've caught him...
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c ... ebert.html

[Brenda]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Macguyver Macguyver:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Do I read correctly that you guys think this was a con job of some kind?

I'm not sure if it is a "con job".

But my gut tells me something is not quite right.

That's a little vague. What ain't adding up here for you?

There is a lot that is not adding up, and I already stated it.
WHY is Hopley a suspect? He has not been spotted with Kienan, his car has not been spotted. As far as we know, it could have been you or me also. We also have not been spotted with the boy.
You have a child with a history of sleepwalking, and you leave doors and windows unlocked?
There is no connection between Kienans family and Hopley, yet the ONLY suspect from the first minute IS Hopley? They do not know each other at all.
There's 10 people in the house, and no one heard anyone going through their house to find THAT exact child?
Why was there a picture of his car? Police does not have a picture of my car.
The boy is brought back within 12 hours after the fathers plea on TV to leave him somewhere save. He said that Kienan cannot talk (not that he has a speech impairment, but that he cannot talk), so how can the child have been talking to the police?
You make that plea on TV, you leave your doors unlocked (on purpose, or so they said), but you fail to have surveillance(camera's) on the house?
WHY was there no Amber Alert in Alberta, which is 20 minutes from their house? That came days later.
WHY???

[ShepherdsDog]

you didn't mention the failed attempt at an abduction earlier in the day and Hopley's past recod.

$1:

and at least one brush with the law involving a child.

In November 2007, he was charged with breaking and entering, unlawful confinement and attempted abduction, confirmed Crown spokesman Neil MacKenzie. The indictment for the case indicates the victim was under 16 years old.

In the mid-1980s, Hopley was convicted of sexual assault and sentenced to two years in federal prison, the National Parole Board confirmed. The board didn't have details about what happened or the age of the victim because parole records are destroyed after 10 years.

it's the profilers job to find the likely suspects...he fit the profile in the population pool, so they need to detain and question him. He's only been arrested. The police will interview him and determine if there are sufficient grounds for charges.

[Brenda]

Like I said before in this (or a similar) thread, once a shoplifter, all thefts that happen in a store are to be blamed on you? The mid-eighties. That is 25 years ago.
He has also been charged with other stuff, and charges have been dropped. You fail to mention that part.
So when we are going to accuse each other of "failing to mention things that happened during his life", we might as well just stick to all the facts, no?

He has not only been arrested, he has been found guilty already.

[Gunnair]

Brenda Brenda:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Macguyver Macguyver:

I'm not sure if it is a "con job".

But my gut tells me something is not quite right.

That's a little vague. What ain't adding up here for you?

There is a lot that is not adding up, and I already stated it.
WHY is Hopley a suspect? He has not been spotted with Kienan, his car has not been spotted. As far as we know, it could have been you or me also. We also have not been spotted with the boy.
You have a child with a history of sleepwalking, and you leave doors and windows unlocked?
There is no connection between Kienans family and Hopley, yet the ONLY suspect from the first minute IS Hopley? They do not know each other at all.
There's 10 people in the house, and no one heard anyone going through their house to find THAT exact child?
Why was there a picture of his car? Police does not have a picture of my car.
The boy is brought back within 12 hours after the fathers plea on TV to leave him somewhere save. He said that Kienan cannot talk (not that he has a speech impairment, but that he cannot talk), so how can the child have been talking to the police?
You make that plea on TV, you leave your doors unlocked (on purpose, or so they said), but you fail to have surveillance(camera's) on the house?
WHY was there no Amber Alert in Alberta, which is 20 minutes from their house? That came days later.
WHY???

I will gladly accept an "I told you so." and a:



if this whole things turns out to be a put up job of some kind. Yeah, there's some odd stuff here, but frankly, just because the cops can't answer questions doesn't mean that everything went south or its all a fabrication for publicity (ie balloon boy)

Until then, there's seems to be some conspiracy thinking afoot.

[Brenda]

I just hope they are not focusing on the wrong guy. The real perp needs to be caught. If that IS Hopley, then they did an outstanding job...