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OnTheIce OnTheIce:

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Because with a DDOS attack, it can be made unavailable for that entire time. Then what do we do?

And what if someone calls in a bomb scare at a polling station, then what do they do?

There's all kinds of "what if's".

There have been failures with all types of voting. Paper, electronic and I'm sure online will have it's problems too.

Canada has been using electronic voting since the 90's, adding the online portion is just the next step.

Then it's one polling station of thousands.

The problems with paper are nothing compared to the problems that can be associated with this. The internet might as well be the wild west.

[Brenda]

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Risk? It's more than a risk. DDOS attacks are easy to do. A bunch of kids from a computer science class could run one and cause serious problems. Let alone if someone had issues with the government and wanted to fuck with us. Why risk it? I am one of the first people to embrace technology, but doing something like this is just asking for trouble on a whole wackload of fronts. Trusting the election of the leader of a nation to the internet is a terrible idea.

I take it you didn't file your taxes through the interwebz either?

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sandorski sandorski:

If they do it right, Hacking shouldn't be much of an issue. Such a system is likely to only be Online for short periods of time every few years. If need be, you could simply shutoff International Internet access for the day of the Election to prevent DDOS attacks.

Implying they need to be outside the country to DDOS it.

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Brenda Brenda:

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Risk? It's more than a risk. DDOS attacks are easy to do. A bunch of kids from a computer science class could run one and cause serious problems. Let alone if someone had issues with the government and wanted to fuck with us. Why risk it? I am one of the first people to embrace technology, but doing something like this is just asking for trouble on a whole wackload of fronts. Trusting the election of the leader of a nation to the internet is a terrible idea.

I take it you didn't file your taxes through the interwebz either?

1) Accountant.
2) They can't even be compared.

[Brenda]

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Brenda Brenda:

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Risk? It's more than a risk. DDOS attacks are easy to do. A bunch of kids from a computer science class could run one and cause serious problems. Let alone if someone had issues with the government and wanted to fuck with us. Why risk it? I am one of the first people to embrace technology, but doing something like this is just asking for trouble on a whole wackload of fronts. Trusting the election of the leader of a nation to the internet is a terrible idea.

I take it you didn't file your taxes through the interwebz either?

1) Accountant.
2) They can't even be compared.

Accountant files through the interwebz.
Why not? You personal financial shit is not as important as a vote? That, when hacked, will be noticed and thus taken again?
It's not like you couldn't make voting available online for a longer period of time than 4 hours.

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Brenda Brenda:

Accountant files through the interwebz.
Why not? You personal financial shit is not as important as a vote? That, when hacked, will be noticed and thus taken again?
It's not like you couldn't make voting available online for a longer period of time than 4 hours.

There are 20 million people filing for taxes. I have a better chance at winning the lottery than getting my taxes messed with. There is one election.

There is too many variables that can go wrong and turn this at best into a giant waste of money and at worst a country changing mistake. Plus as Caleb said, you have identification issues to go along with security issues.

[Brenda]

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Brenda Brenda:

Accountant files through the interwebz.
Why not? You personal financial shit is not as important as a vote? That, when hacked, will be noticed and thus taken again?
It's not like you couldn't make voting available online for a longer period of time than 4 hours.

There are 20 million people filing for taxes. I have a better chance at winning the lottery than getting my taxes messed with. There is one election.

There is too many variables that can go wrong and turn this at best into a giant waste of money and at worst a country changing mistake. Plus as Caleb said, you have identification issues to go along with security issues.

There's 20 million people voting. ID issues are the same with your taxes.

[Canadian_Mind]

It's simple. The election is one BIG event with one internet use, elections canada, receiving data from millions of other users. Like secure banking, I think the voting system could be made secure. Unfortunately, like the banks are, the elections Canada website wont be 100% impervious to outside attacks. And just as your personal bank account statement (ie how much money you have in your accounts) can be fucked with, so could the individual votes or group voting statistics of the nation. Changing the percentage of votes could be easy to see and correct for. But once you crack into elections Canada, writing an auto-script for bots to go and individually modify each vote after it has been submitted wouldn't be hard at all.

[sandorski]

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sandorski sandorski:

If they do it right, Hacking shouldn't be much of an issue. Such a system is likely to only be Online for short periods of time every few years. If need be, you could simply shutoff International Internet access for the day of the Election to prevent DDOS attacks.

Implying they need to be outside the country to DDOS it.

No, they don't need to be, but that cuts down the possibility significantly.

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sandorski sandorski:

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sandorski sandorski:

If they do it right, Hacking shouldn't be much of an issue. Such a system is likely to only be Online for short periods of time every few years. If need be, you could simply shutoff International Internet access for the day of the Election to prevent DDOS attacks.

Implying they need to be outside the country to DDOS it.

No, they don't need to be, but that cuts down the possibility significantly.

Of course, until they just route their attack through canadian server and it doesn't matter anymore.

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Brenda Brenda:

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Brenda Brenda:

Accountant files through the interwebz.
Why not? You personal financial shit is not as important as a vote? That, when hacked, will be noticed and thus taken again?
It's not like you couldn't make voting available online for a longer period of time than 4 hours.

There are 20 million people filing for taxes. I have a better chance at winning the lottery than getting my taxes messed with. There is one election.

There is too many variables that can go wrong and turn this at best into a giant waste of money and at worst a country changing mistake. Plus as Caleb said, you have identification issues to go along with security issues.

There's 20 million people voting. ID issues are the same with your taxes.

And people evade taxes every year. Fucking with my taxes will actually cost me money as I get a refund, so why would I mess with it.


You really don't understand that comparing the submitting of taxes is in no way similar to voting do you?

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Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

It's simple. The election is one BIG event with one internet use, elections canada, receiving data from millions of other users. Like secure banking, I think the voting system could be made secure. Unfortunately, like the banks are, the elections Canada website wont be 100% impervious to outside attacks. And just as your personal bank account statement (ie how much money you have in your accounts) can be fucked with, so could the individual votes or group voting statistics of the nation. Changing the percentage of votes could be easy to see and correct for. But once you crack into elections Canada, writing an auto-script for bots to go and individually modify each vote after it has been submitted wouldn't be hard at all.

Exactly.

[Wada]

Could it not be set up so I can go back in and see how I voted, as a check?

[Canadian_Mind]

Wada Wada:

Could it not be set up so I can go back in and see how I voted, as a check?

That could be fucked with too. The programming could be altered in such a fashion as to display one result to the origin of the vote, but another to the Elections Canada recipient.

Hell, speaking of banking, credit card companies do that to convince you you still have 200$ left on your limit, then when you make purchases they'll drop the previous 5 days accumulated purchases onto your credit card statement and suddenly you're $200 over, and have to pay the overbalance charge, plus additional interest payments.

[sandorski]

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sandorski sandorski:

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Implying they need to be outside the country to DDOS it.

No, they don't need to be, but that cuts down the possibility significantly.

Of course, until they just route their attack through canadian server and it doesn't matter anymore.

How would they route through a Canadian Server if they have no access to a Canadian Server?