[raydan]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

A shotgun with rock salt works very well as a 'veiled threat' though. I have leaned well from my Uncle who raised 3 girls. Very intimidating fellow.

If I was 5'2" and weighed 120 lbs., maybe that rock-salt would come in handy. Might also come in handy if I didn't have a fair bit of speed in my legs.

As it is, since I'm still thin at 190 lbs., the look served me well.

[peck420]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

They can't control it when it's illegal, what makes anyone think they could when it's legal? The Canadian government is doing so well with medical MJ that they got taken to court over their bungling.

If the government is not going to shit they should get off the pot. Legalize it or leave it criminal. Their problems stem from their indecision.

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Legalization will simply drop the price, and drop the risk of illegal bootlegging, just as is done now with cigarettes, alcohol and guns.

Bootlegging only becomes an issue when items are either illegal or overtaxed (overpriced).
Cigarettes and alcohol - overtaxed (up to 79% of the price you pay for smokes is taxes per CBC 2007 In Depth: The Cost of Smoking).
Guns - the only guns I know of that are bootlegged are illegal.

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Addicts have no choice as to whether or not to use.

All the more reason to focus on minimizing harm instead of 'war on drugs'. That addict will scrape shit from a public toilet if it has the drug they 'need'. We are better off providing it in a clean(er) and safe(r) manner.

[andyt]

peck420 peck420:

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Addicts have no choice as to whether or not to use.

All the more reason to focus on minimizing harm instead of 'war on drugs'. That addict will scrape shit from a public toilet if it has the drug they 'need'. We are better off providing it in a clean(er) and safe(r) manner.

And providing it cheaper so that addict isn't doing crimes to feed his habit. Huge savings to society, in both cash and sense of security right there.

[Curtman]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

They can't control it when it's illegal, what makes anyone think they could when it's legal? The Canadian government is doing so well with medical MJ that they got taken to court over their bungling.

Legalization will simply drop the price, and drop the risk of illegal bootlegging, just as is done now with cigarettes, alcohol and guns.

Addicts have no choice as to whether or not to use.

Enforcement however . . .

Prohibition is what gives these people their power, and money. Why was this girl interested in hanging around with this creep? I don't think witnessing her dad shoot this guy is a very effective way to get her to straighten up and fly right. This father-daughter relationship is over. Legalization will get addicts into treatment, and will take away the money and power from the gangsters.

[Lemmy]

peck420 peck420:

Legal age of consent is 16. As far as the law was concerned it is perfectly legal. Unless they actually catch him selling/giving her drugs or pimping her out.

Nope. 18 is the legal age of consent. A 16 year old can only consent to having sex with another teen, aged 16 - 18. He's 24. She cannot give legal consent to sex with a 24 year-old.

peck420 peck420:

He should have used a crowbar, claim that he keeps it in his car, and maybe have gotten manslaughter...just saying.

You never want to show up with a knife (or crowbar) to a gun fight. Drug dealers = guns. I wouldn't have taken any chances.

[DerbyX]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Nope. 18 is the legal age of consent. A 16 year old can only consent to having sex with another teen, aged 16 - 18. He's 24. She cannot give legal consent to sex with a 24 year-old.

I don't think that is quite correct.

http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/dept-min/clp/faq.html

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The age of consent for sexual activity is 16 years. It was raised from 14 years on May 1, 2008 by the Tackling Violent Crime Act.

However, the age of consent is 18 years where the sexual activity "exploits" the young person -- when it involves prostitution, pornography or occurs in a relationship of authority, trust or dependency (e.g., with a teacher, coach or babysitter). Sexual activity can also be considered exploitative based on the nature and circumstances of the relationship, e.g., the young person's age, the age difference between the young person and their partner, how the relationship developed (quickly, secretly, or over the Internet) and how the partner may have controlled or influenced the young person.

There might be a legal case but it would certainly be something disputed in a court.

[Curtman]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Lemmy Lemmy:

Nope. 18 is the legal age of consent. A 16 year old can only consent to having sex with another teen, aged 16 - 18. He's 24. She cannot give legal consent to sex with a 24 year-old.

I don't think that is quite correct.


There might be a legal case but it would certainly be something disputed in a court.

From your link:

http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/dept-min/clp/faq.html

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However, the age of consent is 18 years where the sexual activity "exploits" the young person -- when it involves prostitution, pornography or occurs in a relationship of authority, trust or dependency (e.g., with a teacher, coach or babysitter). Sexual activity can also be considered exploitative based on the nature and circumstances of the relationship, e.g., the young person's age, the age difference between the young person and their partner, how the relationship developed (quickly, secretly, or over the Internet) and how the partner may have controlled or influenced the young person.

[DerbyX]

Was her BF prostituting her or in a position of authority?

[Curtman]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Was her BF prostituting her or in a position of authority?

Her drug dealer was.

[DerbyX]

Curtman Curtman:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Was her BF prostituting her or in a position of authority?

Her drug dealer was.

No and lets remember what people on here do to you in that regard. Assuming he was a drug dealer, that doesn't imply he was exploiting her or prostituting her in any way. In all likelihood she was every bit a willing participant and indeed according to the testimony:

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According to her testimony on Wednesday, she had been released on the day in question from the Yorkton Hospital’s psychiatric ward, into the care of her parents. Jadah Walker said Hayward had gotten her addicted to numerous hard drugs, ranging from crack cocaine to heroin.

Shortly after leaving the hospital with her parents, she returned to Hayward’s house. Several hours later, she saw her father pull up to the home in a truck and knock on the door.

He didn't force her to come over. She apparently went over willingly. Then her father went over and murdered him because apparently he wasn't able to control his own daughter.

I'm sure the police investigated the relationship and deemed it legal even if they were going after him for drug dealing activities.

[Curtman]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Curtman Curtman:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Was her BF prostituting her or in a position of authority?

Her drug dealer was.

No and lets remember what people on here do to you in that regard. Assuming he was a drug dealer, that doesn't imply he was exploiting her or prostituting her in any way. In all likelihood she was every bit a willing participant and indeed according to the testimony:

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According to her testimony on Wednesday, she had been released on the day in question from the Yorkton Hospital’s psychiatric ward, into the care of her parents. Jadah Walker said Hayward had gotten her addicted to numerous hard drugs, ranging from crack cocaine to heroin.

Shortly after leaving the hospital with her parents, she returned to Hayward’s house. Several hours later, she saw her father pull up to the home in a truck and knock on the door.

He didn't force her to come over. She apparently went over willingly. Then her father went over and murdered him because apparently he wasn't able to control his own daughter.

I'm sure the police investigated the relationship and deemed it legal even if they were going after him for drug dealing activities.

Do you know anyone who has been addicted to crack? I do. They know that it's destroying them, but they can't stop. There is no definition of "dependency" that a crack dealer wont fit in.

[DerbyX]

Curtman Curtman:

Do you know anyone who has been addicted to crack? I do. They know that it's destroying them, but they can't stop. There is no definition of "dependency" that a crack dealer wont fit in.

I've known loads of people who used drugs and they all did so willingly. She chose to do it. She chose to be with him. She went over to his house willingly. She may have been addicted to drugs but quite frankly if she was that bad they should have kept her hospitalized even against her will. We have an expert in that department on this forum so I'm going to ask them about their opinion but nothing in the facts show this was an illegal relationship.

It certainly doesn't support murdering this young man who also had a mother who is now grieving.

Suppose this girl got high and killed somebody driving home, say an 8 year old child and that father decided to execute "the low life drug user" who had "murdered" his child? Would everybody here be cheering him on as well?

How many of them would have sympathy for her because she had been addicted? Probably none. They would all be saying she took drugs willingly and scoffed at the addiction disease excuse just like they have on various DUI threads.

Make no mistake. This man deserves to go to jail for murder. The facts of the case will mean he is likely a candidate for early release but he went over there with the intention to kill a man and not to "rescue his daughter" who had gone over there willingly.

[Curtman]

DerbyX DerbyX:

I've known loads of people who used drugs and they all did so willingly. She chose to do it. She chose to be with him. She went over to his house willingly. She may have been addicted to drugs but quite frankly if she was that bad they should have kept her hospitalized even against her will. We have an expert in that department on this forum so I'm going to ask them about their opinion but nothing in the facts show this was an illegal relationship.

It certainly doesn't support murdering this young man who also had a mother who is now grieving.

Suppose this girl got high and killed somebody driving home, say an 8 year old child and that father decided to execute "the low life drug user" who had "murdered" his child? Would everybody here be cheering him on as well?

How many of them would have sympathy for her because she had been addicted? Probably none. They would all be saying she took drugs willingly and scoffed at the addiction disease excuse just like they have on various DUI threads.

Make no mistake. This man deserves to go to jail for murder. The facts of the case will mean he is likely a candidate for early release but he went over there with the intention to kill a man and not to "rescue his daughter" who had gone over there willingly.

No it doesn't support murdering him at all. Sure she took the drugs willingly like you say. But as unpopular as the "gateway drug" thing is around here, it's very real. I'll bet you she didn't meet this dude buying cigarettes or alcohol, he was the local weed guy, who also sold other things.

[DerbyX]

Curtman Curtman:

No it doesn't support murdering him at all. Sure she took the drugs willingly like you say. But as unpopular as the "gateway drug" thing is around here, it's very real. I'll bet you she didn't meet this dude buying cigarettes or alcohol, he was the local weed guy, who also sold other things.

That is quite possible, not the gateway thing. That is simply a standard linear progression. Its like saying kissing is the gateway to rape. Its often the first contact because of its prevalence but that is neither here nor there.

The topic I brought up was that their sexual relationship wasn't illegal and it doesn't seem to be. A legal case might be in that as her drug dealer AND BF it constituted making it an illegal act no different then if he was her doctor (which disregards age).

I don't think it does else they could use that logic to tack on additional charges to anybody found dealing drugs who also had sexual partner that used.

On a side note I see that a good deal of the people calling this man a hero for protecting his child from this evil drug dealer are the same people who decry the CJYA because it diminishes the responsibility of the child.

She was responsible for her actions and had she not gone back to that man nothing would have happened. She could have stayed in rehab or simply stayed at home and cleaned up her act but in the end she chose to go back and her father chose to kill a man because he wasn't a good enough parent.

Lots of people here are saying "I'd have done the same" when they should be saying "I'd have forced my daughter to stay away" or "I'd have gotten her help long before it reached this point".

[Lemmy]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Was her BF prostituting her or in a position of authority?

It doesn't matter. He's more than 2 years older than her.