[RUEZ]

andyt andyt:

Well, as i said, raise the personal exemption so he'll pay less tax. And provide cheap transit. Raise the GAIN portion of the pension plan, for low income Seniors. Lot's of ways to help your retired father if he really is hurting and not just whining. Oil costs are likely to keep driving upward - might as well get used to it and learn to adapt.

The personal exemption won't help him he doesn't make enough. Transit won't help him he doesn't live near somewhere with transit. And if you call my father a whiner this thread is going to get a lot uglier.

[Curtman]

RUEZ RUEZ:

Lowering gas tax won't do much for us anyway. Sure it will lower the price for a month until the oil companies feel we've forgotten about the issue. I'd rather see the government set a gas price that gives the oil companies enough profit to continue operating but allows us to not have to choose gas or food.

This makes me think of one of the panels in the comic that keeps getting posted here.



They get subsidies, we get taxed, and end up paying more than twice as much as the Americans do for gas that comes from here.

[andyt]

Of course he makes more than $10,000 or whatever the exemption is now. So it will help him. If his pension is so poor, raising the GAIN, as I said will also help him. But if your dad can afford a car, I doubt if he's at the bottom of the pension scale. So there might just be some whining going on here. As I said, gas prices are going up, instead of whining you should get used to it. And petition the govt to ameliorate the effects of that on low income people, instead of giving tax goodies to high income families. You supporting the Reformancons really makes no sense at all - they're not going to look after your father if he's low income. They're interested in the middle class vote.

[Curtman]

martin14 martin14:

Curtman Curtman:

martin14 martin14:

Vote Liberal/Dipper/Green, so they can put a Carbon Tax on top of that !

What happened to my constant need to hack complete bs?

Did they raise the taxes yesterday ?


If not, then stfu please.

On occasion, I have misquoted people accidentally by screwing up nested quote tags, and have been warned by some moderators that this is a serious thing. I'm sure this is what happened here, because obviously I never said that.

[andyt]

I believe CKA SOP is to put "fixed that for you" after you mess with somebody's quote. I've done that myself on occasion, but really we should be cutting that out. Quote the person accurately and then make your rebuttal.

[Brenda]

$1:

As I said, gas prices are going up, instead of whining you should get used to it.

Well, when gas prices raise, everything goes up. Groceries go up because delivery is more expensive. The only thing that doesn't go up, is your income. So, EVERYONE has a problem. The ones that live pay cheque to pay cheque do have to choose between gas and food, because you can only spend your money once. If it was ONLY the price at the pump, we might be able to get over it, but utility companies have also been raising their prices (6.6% if my memory serves me right). The only thing that didn't raise was the money coming in.

[EyeBrock]

We sit on the second largest oil deposits in the world but we pay more than the Yanks who are our biggest customers?

We are being ripped off.

[andyt]

Brenda Brenda:

$1:

As I said, gas prices are going up, instead of whining you should get used to it.

Well, when gas prices raise, everything goes up. Groceries go up because delivery is more expensive. The only thing that doesn't go up, is your income. So, EVERYONE has a problem. The ones that live pay cheque to pay cheque do have to choose between gas and food, because you can only spend your money once. If it was ONLY the price at the pump, we might be able to get over it, but utility companies have also been raising their prices (6.6% if my memory serves me right). The only thing that didn't raise was the money coming in.

That's right, the only thing that doesn't rise is your money coming in, because all the increases in wealth in the last decade or more have gone to the richest people only. The middle class is lucky if it's treading water, and the poor have sunk even lower. Yet we keep electing governments that give huge tax subsidies to the oil companies and tell us business has to pay less taxes. Tax cuts are narrowly focused in high, single income earners.

Oil/gas is likely to keep going up and up - deal with it. Don't deal with it by trying to regulate how much companies can charge, that never works. Deal with it by demanding that we share the wealth more equitably in this country. We've been going backwards for 30 years in that regard - time to reverse the trend. And deal with it that the good times may be over - people have been warning about peak oil and so forth for years, but nobody listens, just whines when the price goes up. Time to adapt - energy is only going to get more expensive as we breed more and more people, all of whom want the same living standard as we have. The same will probably be true for food too, btw.

But I know, I'm a neo-Malthusian. He's been proven wrong. We can just keep breeding and breeding and we'll figure out how to make it work. Just keep whistling past that graveyard.

[andyt]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

We sit on the second largest oil deposits in the world but we pay more than the Yanks who are our biggest customers?

We are being ripped off.

Nope, under NAFTA the yanks pay the same for crude as we do. They just choose to tax it less than we do. And that's not working out very well for them - that piper may have to be paid any time now.

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

Brenda Brenda:

$1:

As I said, gas prices are going up, instead of whining you should get used to it.

Well, when gas prices raise, everything goes up. Groceries go up because delivery is more expensive. The only thing that doesn't go up, is your income. So, EVERYONE has a problem. The ones that live pay cheque to pay cheque do have to choose between gas and food, because you can only spend your money once. If it was ONLY the price at the pump, we might be able to get over it, but utility companies have also been raising their prices (6.6% if my memory serves me right). The only thing that didn't raise was the money coming in.

That's right, the only thing that doesn't rise is your money coming in, because all the increases in wealth in the last decade or more have gone to the richest people only. The middle class is lucky if it's treading water, and the poor have sunk even lower. Yet we keep electing governments that give huge tax subsidies to the oil companies and tell us business has to pay less taxes. Tax cuts are narrowly focused in high, single income earners.

Oil/gas is likely to keep going up and up - deal with it. Don't deal with it by trying to regulate how much companies can charge, that never works. Deal with it by demanding that we share the wealth more equitably in this country. We've been going backwards for 30 years in that regard - time to reverse the trend. And deal with it that the good times may be over - people have been warning about peak oil and so forth for years, but nobody listens, just whines when the price goes up. Time to adapt - energy is only going to get more expensive as we breed more and more people, all of whom want the same living standard as we have.

I thought we didn't breed them, but imported them?

[andyt]

They breed them, we import them. Works out to the same thing.

[Brenda]

Arguing for the sake of arguing again, Andy?

[peck420]

Our government always looks at this the wrong way.

The solution is not to cut corporate taxes (we already have some of the lowest in the world).

The solution to this is simple. Stop focusing on revenue and start focusing on expenses. Instead of raising minimum wage, how about we lower the cost of living? We are on a spiral down becasue everybody wants everything up! You raise minimum wage...then the employer raises his prices due to higher cost of business...this all generates more money for government because they get to tax all of it!

We need to lower personal income tax (especially for those below $44,000).

We need to drastically increase luxury taxes (including legalizing marijuana.)

We should have zero tax on fuel due to it being a neccessity for so many Canadians (make up the lost revenue by royalties - see next point).

We need a standardized (per industry) royalty rate for all natural resource production. A rate that is fair, that is collected by the fed, and distributed to all provinces on a per capita basis (this rate should also be common knowledge and easily referenced on government financial records).

And we should have a flat rate HST across Canada. A set percentage to fed's and a set percentag to provinces.

If we lower the cost of living for the average Canadian they get more expendable income. We also get the added benefit of providng more 'bang for the buck' across the board, rich, poor, everybody.

The more money we put into the consumer hands, the more profitable the HST becomes, the more you can reduce personal income taxs, etc. Start the spiral down, not up!

[EyeBrock]

andyt andyt:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

We sit on the second largest oil deposits in the world but we pay more than the Yanks who are our biggest customers?

We are being ripped off.

Nope, under NAFTA the yanks pay the same for crude as we do. They just choose to tax it less than we do. And that's not working out very well for them - that piper may have to be paid any time now.

So we are not being ripped off then andy?

[andyt]

We'd better have a good revenue stream to the govt to pay for healthcare, education and pensions. If you want to re-arrange the tax scheme to take in the same or more, fine, but to cut taxes would be stupid.

Lowering income taxes on min wage earners does very little for them, they already pay little tax, and take way more in govt services than they pay in taxes. Raising their wages will allow them to pay more tax, take less from the govt. Yes prices will go up - they do with your wage increase too. Somehow the anti-minimum wage crowd never seems as dead set against any wage increase they are due. Any wage increase raises prices some. But if you want to make the cost of living cheaper, you should be recommending that we drop wages. It would make sense to me that we start at the top, since that's where the money is. Somehow the Scandinavian/European countries manage to do very well (better than us) with not having working poor and far less wage inequality.

If we raise the wages of low and lower middle income Canadians, the more profitable the HST becomes, because they have to spend almost all they make. The more you can reduce income taxes. Start the spiral up, not down.

We should increase fuel taxes because fuel pollutes. We should be paying all transportation costs from fuel taxes (roads, transit etc), as well as that part of the health care and environmental costs attributable to fuel use. Let the users pay.

I agree with taxing dope tho.