[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

I did what?

Engine is not irrelevant - that was the point of my original post. That people where transit isn't a viable option can also reduce their fuel use significantly, if they buy what they truely need.

You'll also note I didn't respond to that post of yours because I don't usually respond to post I agree with My first post in this thread actually agreed with you, before you even posted it. Who has the reading problem again?

andyt andyt:

A Subaru Outback has 8 1/2 inches of ground clearance. That's going to do it most of the time. If that last 1 1/2 inches really makes a diff, what are you going to do when you need 11 inches and you've only got ten?

Use the loud pedal. AWD and 4WD vehicles have the advantage of having the traction needed to drive ON the ruts, eliminating the need for ground clearance.

andyt's sheep andyt's sheep:

Wow, you've only got 10 inches? You must be deficient!

andyt andyt:

And why is this conversation all about you, instead of about the needs of the small town population in general. Surely you're smart enough to understand that your particular case doesn't apply to all small town residents. And that rural does not equal small town.

You made it about me. Example: "If we do get another oil spike, all of a sudden all you big shot haulers will discover you can do quite well with something smaller and more importantly more fuel efficient." (the word 'You' at the beginning of that sentence is a link to the post you made, in case you need a reminder) You quoted my post, and use the noun 'you', generally accepted in English to be referring to the person in the post quoted.

And I proceeded to tell you why you were, again, wrong.

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

but you are doing the same thing as Andy. You are branding all truck owners as 'fantasy lifestyle cowboys'.

For fuck's sake, learn to read. Quote me where I said all. I said half, and was talking about small towns, not farmers. You guys sure like to pick a fight over nothing.

andyt andyt:

If we do get another oil spike, all of a sudden all you big shot haulers will discover you can do quite well with something smaller and more importantly more fuel efficient. But then I guess you won't be able to, as that current Ram commercial says "let your right foot do your talking for you." Intelligent conversation, that is.

andyt andyt:

Let em drive their yahoo trucks, but pass stricter gas efficiency laws, to make those trucks more fuel efficient. They don't really need all that power from big V8s, (mostly), they just think they do to make them more manly.

No mention of small towns, just trucks and the people who drive them. Then, afterward:

andyt andyt:

Even in small towns, half the guys driving the full size pickups never use all that hauling capacity, it's just for status.

Too easy. Now, I know how to fucking read, and comprehend it. Do you know how to remember what you fucking write?

[PluggyRug]

Where I live ALL the pickup trucks are used as guess what...pickup trucks. Rarely is one seen with an empty bed. The distances I have to drive to get stuff means just one trip is essential. Smaller vehicles just do not hack it.

[fifeboy]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

fifeboy fifeboy:

e- My main point, again, is that unless you need a truck, it is just a "look at me, I'm a cowboy" statement.

My main point, if you go back and read the post you accuse me of the 'Fantasy lifestyle' thing, is that my truck is required for me to live.

I'm sorry if you feel that was a 'half cocked' response, but you are doing the same thing as Andy. You are branding all truck owners as 'fantasy lifestyle cowboys'. Most of us own trucks because only a truck meets our needs, not to make any sort of social statement.

Sooo.... what part of my statement:

$1:

There is nothing wrong with
someone owning a vehicle that meets the needs their lifestyle presents.

do you not understand

[fifeboy]

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

Where I live ALL the pickup trucks are used as guess what...pickup trucks. Rarely is one seen with an empty bed. The distances I have to drive to get stuff means just one trip is essential. Smaller vehicles just do not hack it.

Pluggers, you said earlier

$1:

I live in rural Ontario

. Most of us understand that

$1:

I live in rural Ontario

is not the same as you saying "I live in downtown Toronto." Where I lived in Northern Saskatchewan, if I can quote someone,

$1:

ALL the pickup trucks are used as guess what...pickup trucks. Rarely is one seen with an empty bed.

In Saskatoon the same can't be said.

[andyt]

@Caleb - you've mangled my quotes so much, I'm not sure what your point is.

My point was simply this - I agree with higher gas taxes. Then let people drive what they want, but if it hurts enough they'll make the decision to downsize if they don't really need all the vehicle they're driving. And if enough jurisdictions do that, or we get another oil spike, the manufacturers will respond with more efficient drive trains that will still let people do what they want, maybe just a little more slowly. A little less "letting their right foot do the talking." Sure I made fun of the small town yahoos that drive pickups for show - we have way more of them in the big city, and guys driving Hummers with huge wheels that would get the tires shredded if they ever went off road. I don't know why you and 2Cdo and I guess Pluggy, were so eager to identify with yahoos like that, you'll have to figure that out for yourself. I've used lots of pickups for work in the woods, and had a number of SUV's for getting up to the back country. No shame in that, they were used for what they were intended for.

[sandorski]

Let the Country Bumpkins have their pickups. Just as long as we can have our Lowered Hummers with 2 Stroke Gas Powered Spinners, all's good.

Agreed?

[DrCaleb]

fifeboy fifeboy:

Sooo.... what part of my statement:

$1:

There is nothing wrong with
someone owning a vehicle that meets the needs their lifestyle presents.

do you not understand

So, what part of my first post in this thread did you not understand?

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

And the comment is just one big ad hominem.

Seriously, why isn't car pooling a valid way to reduce congestion? If 3 out of 4 cars were deleted from rush hour, wouldn't we have to find another name for it? Why aren't zero emission cars another way to reduce emissions? Why is car culture sacred (and I'm a big gear head)?

Car culture is not part of the every day commute, that only requires utility transport. The big block muscle-car can still be enjoyed on the weekend. Regardless of which side of the global warming debate you are on, stand on a downtown street corner in any big city, and try to breathe normally for 20 minutes. Then tell me a reduction in pollution wouldn't be a good thing.

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

@Caleb - you've mangled my quotes so much, I'm not sure what your point is.

My point was simply this - I agree with higher gas taxes. Then let people drive what they want, but if it hurts enough they'll make the decision to downsize if they don't really need all the vehicle they're driving. And if enough jurisdictions do that, or we get another oil spike, the manufacturers will respond with more efficient drive trains that will still let people do what they want, maybe just a little more slowly. A little less "letting their right foot do the talking." Sure I made fun of the small town yahoos that drive pickups for show - we have way more of them in the big city, and guys driving Hummers with huge wheels that would get the tires shredded if they ever went off road. I don't know why you and 2Cdo and I guess Pluggy, were so eager to identify with yahoos like that, you'll have to figure that out for yourself. I've used lots of pickups for work in the woods, and had a number of SUV's for getting up to the back country. No shame in that, they were used for what they were intended for.

My point is I took offense to being labeled with so many negative connotations for driving a truck, when I require that truck to do what I need to do. You and others have a nasty habit of procreating your own stereotypes, but then denigrate others for doing exactly the same thing towards subjects you hold dear.

We didn't want to be identified with 'yahoos' like that, but it was you who labeled us 'yahoos'. I'd love to carpool, or get a smaller commuter vehicle, but it's not in my budget. But that does not make me a 'big shot hauler', nor does it mean my penis is below average length or girth. I therefore do not require my truck to prove my lack of manhood.

You've been caught once again insulting people for no good reason, other than to insult them. And I will call anyone on it each time I see it.

[andyt]

I reviewed the posts, and you're right. I started getting hurling some insults. Sorry about that, it wasn't where I was trying to go.

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

I reviewed the posts, and you're right. I started getting hurling some insults. Sorry about that, it wasn't where I was trying to go.

Big of you to admit. No worries man.

[fifeboy]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

fifeboy fifeboy:

Sooo.... what part of my statement:

$1:

There is nothing wrong with
someone owning a vehicle that meets the needs their lifestyle presents.

do you not understand

So, what part of my first post in this thread did you not understand?

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

And the comment is just one big ad hominem.

Seriously, why isn't car pooling a valid way to reduce congestion? If 3 out of 4 cars were deleted from rush hour, wouldn't we have to find another name for it? Why aren't zero emission cars another way to reduce emissions? Why is car culture sacred (and I'm a big gear head)?

Car culture is not part of the every day commute, that only requires utility transport. The big block muscle-car can still be enjoyed on the weekend. Regardless of which side of the global warming debate you are on, stand on a downtown street corner in any big city, and try to breathe normally for 20 minutes. Then tell me a reduction in pollution wouldn't be a good thing.

Me, I think I understand all of it But than again I'm not the one with his knickers in a knot.

[djakeydd]

Hey Suzuki - here's somethin for you - synthetic gas with zero carbon output and its cheap. Too cheap for you and your ilks liking - I suspect as you would like us peons to stay parked for good..

http://www.gizmag.com/breakthrough-prom ... ons/17687/

[SprCForr]

Wouldn't that be something.

[djakeydd]

Yes indeedy, I wonder if it's for real and if so, what are the odds that we consumers will see the benefit?