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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:11 pm
 


No I don't, you've proved my point. I'm just chasing my tail with you.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:13 pm
 


Mockingbird Mockingbird:
No I don't, you've proved my point. I'm just chasing my tail with you.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:47 am
 


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She herself lost her children as well in this whole ordeal.


I don't know what to say. 8O 8O 8O
Seriously, how stupid can the laywer be to say this?

Definitely a "doh" moment... a double facepalm is not enough. :(


It's a classic - the guy who murdered his parents throwing himself on the mercy of the court because he's an orphan.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:14 am
 


andyt andyt:
raydan raydan:
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She herself lost her children as well in this whole ordeal.


I don't know what to say. 8O 8O 8O
Seriously, how stupid can the laywer be to say this?

Definitely a "doh" moment... a double facepalm is not enough. :(


It's a classic - the guy who murdered his parents throwing himself on the mercy of the court because he's an orphan.


He's ill) In the nearest city we had a case :"Four teens at the age max 20 kidnapped 80 old women and were raping her during two weeks" They've got life penalty.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:34 am
 


8O whoa.

so that all went very well.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:37 pm
 


It's fortunate that this case was heard by a jury. Here's where the judge was coming from:

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Minutes after a jury convicted Elaine Campione of two counts of first-degree murder in the drowning deaths of her little daughters, the trial judge suggested she belonged to a class of “weaker and more vulnerable” citizens who as “victim/offenders” sometimes “act out of the expected norm." If that seems a mild way to characterize the double murder of two innocent youngsters, taken in total, the remarks of Ontario Superior Court Judge Alfred Stong, who presided over Ms. Campione’s trial, amounted to a repudiation of the jury verdicts.

The jurors were into their seventh day of deliberation when they returned to court early Monday with their verdicts.

“It is more than disconcerting to think that if Ms. Campione had not been so abused, so used and discarded as a person, her two daughters could still be alive,” the judge said at one point, although the jurors, in fact, heard little direct evidence, beyond Ms. Campione’s own claims as reported to others, to support such a description.


Here was the judge's response to a request to have the father give a victim's impact statement:

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Prosecutor Enno Meijers made the request – it is a standard feature of criminal trials, even when the sentence is mandatory – but after Ms. Cremer objected and suggested the family could issue “a press release” instead, the judge snapped that “There is no way I’m going to permit him [Mr. Campione] to come in here” and refer to the bitter end of the couple’s marriage or Ms. Campione’s shortcomings.


If the judge had been hearing the case alone, the woman would have walked.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:57 pm
 


WTH?? So the judge victimized the criminal and criminalized the victim. Nice going.

She should still be treated tho.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 1:03 pm
 


Brenda Brenda:
WTH?? So the judge victimized the criminal and criminalized the victim. Nice going.

She should still be treated tho.


Of course she should be treated. She should be in a mental institution - just have a life sentence not be released in a couple of years because she's magically "cured."

No doubt the father was a dickhead. But this judge sounds like one of the man = bad, woman = good types.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 1:31 pm
 


i took a whoopin for saying earlier, but i stand by it today: good ol' religion was there to seal the deal on this tragedy waiting to happen.

and i agree with andyt - she should serve the max. life sentence in a locked rehab.

and her husband sounds like a real winner. but the kids and the extended family and their friends did not deserve any of the campione's domestic shit.


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and i agree with andyt - she should serve the max. life sentence in a locked rehab.

Absolutely.

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i took a whoopin for saying earlier, but i stand by it today: good ol' religion was there to seal the deal on this tragedy waiting to happen.

But was she religious because she was raised religious, or did she get religious episodes?


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 1:44 pm
 


I think billy is off on a rant here. As somebody else pointed out, psychosis often goes along with religious ideas. If you have voices in your head, it's easy to think of them as God or the Devil or such. Doesn't mean she was religious before here her mental illness, and even if she was, it wasn't religion that made her kill.

In fact both Kurt and Mark would tell you it was bad chemicals, not religion.

Po-tweet.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 1:54 pm
 


seriously, no rant..

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psychosis often goes along with religious ideas.

agreed.
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If you have voices in your head, it's easy to think of them as God or the Devil or such. Doesn't mean she was religious before here her mental illness, and even if she was, it wasn't religion that made her kill.

agreed again. i don't think religion made her do it either. i think it was a combination of many things. i just think religion provided the 'permission' and the 'vision' to do so.

..would be interesting to hear kurt's thoughts on the matter wouldn't it... sure do miss that guy.

poo tee weet indeed. :D


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:14 pm
 


billypilgrim billypilgrim:
seriously, no rant..

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psychosis often goes along with religious ideas.

agreed.
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If you have voices in your head, it's easy to think of them as God or the Devil or such. Doesn't mean she was religious before here her mental illness, and even if she was, it wasn't religion that made her kill.

agreed again. i don't think religion made her do it either. i think it was a combination of many things. i just think religion provided the 'permission' and the 'vision' to do so.

..would be interesting to hear kurt's thoughts on the matter wouldn't it... sure do miss that guy.

poo tee weet indeed. :D


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On Oct. 2, 2006, Elaine Campione held Serena and Sophia underwater in the bathtub of her Coulter Street apartment in Barrie. After they were dead, she dressed them in pajamas, laid them down on her bed and wove rosary beads through their hands. She then filmed herself uttering an angry tirade against her estranged husband, to whom she feared she would lose custody of the children.

“Are you happy now?” Elaine Campione spews at the camera. “You can visit them in their caskets.”

The Crown characterized the murders as an attempt to prevent Mr. Campione from ever gaining custody of his kids.


http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/11/17/lives-shattered-by-death-of-two-girls-father/

Though I suspect you'll jump on the 'rosary beads; as justification for your case, I will still postulate that religion was nothing more than an aside - not an enabler nor did it provide vision or permission. This woman had some serious wiring issues and an agenda to deny her ex accessibility to the kids. The video tape had no indications that God had sent a message - it was personal vitreol against her ex. That's it.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:47 pm
 


Tl;dr can anyone give me the short form?


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:50 pm
 


Uhh... what?


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