[Gunnair]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Interesting. I very much agree in that we really do have no right to impose our morality on other countries. Of course the shades of grey are when violence or persecution is involved, and I also agree, allow them to leave if they wish.

$1:

You know, right there, if the muslims would allow the people they don't like or whom they persecute to leave their countries I'd really be more accepting of them. It's their insistence on killing everyone who doesn't go for their religion 100% is what really sets me off on them.

Agreed.

Gunnair Gunnair:

Of course I'm trying to banish my cynical side in suspecting you are suggesting this because you also have your own moral issues with it. Should I expect you wouldn't complain about what Muslims did in their own countries in the future?

My major complaint about what the muslims do in their own countries is not so much about the muslims. It's about the liberals who are in utter denial that the motivations for killing gays, virtually enslaving women, killing people who leave islam, and etc. have nothing to do with islam. [/quote]

Well, again we agree. I don't believe much of dark side of Islam has anything more to do with Islam than the guys like Phelps has anything to do with Christianity. Each religion has its flakes, crazies, and absolute murderous retards that play with the tennants of their faith to justify their actions. What they do is cultural, which is why most of the Muslims I know aren't putting their girlfriends in burkas, stoning gays, etc...

Note this day where we actually agree on something.

[BartSimpson]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Well, again we agree. I don't believe much of dark side of Islam has anything more to do with Islam than the guys like Phelps has anything to do with Christianity. Each religion has its flakes, crazies, and absolute murderous retards that play with the tennants of their faith to justify their actions. What they do is cultural, which is why most of the Muslims I know aren't putting their girlfriends in burkas, stoning gays, etc...

Note this day where we actually agree on something.

Phelps actually does have a lot to do with Christianity but he adheres to a set of strictures that the rest of us dispensed with five hundred years ago.

Christianity has progressed to where Phelps is an aberration. What is going on with Islam is a regression to a stricter interpretation of the faith and the result is that it is the liberal muslims who are becoming the aberration.

Unfortunately, those very liberal muslims who could drag Islam into the present day are being killed off and forced into hiding by the rest of the Muslims. What we're witnessing is a refining of the ummah into something more virulent and violent than ever before. Really, in another topic we have the pathetically weak UAE strong-arming Canada and, believe me, that is an expression of islam demanding aquiescense that we never would have seen just ten years ago.

[desertdude]

Dammit guys I told to lemme know when Barts Loony wonderland is on. Dang it, I missed it again !

[Gunnair]

desertdude desertdude:

Dammit guys I told to lemme know when Barts Loony wonderland is on. Dang it, I missed it again !

What's looney here?

[andyt]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

andyt andyt:

In Canada, if they don't, there will be consequences. For instance the Muslim doctor who didn't want to treat a lesbian couple - take away her medical license.

I doubt that will happen as Canada seems to have limitless tolerance for the dark sides of both Muslim and Hindu cultures.

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Not really. We prosecute honor killings, we do have limits. The stupidist thing Ontario came up with was trying to bring in Sharia, but as far as I know, instead they rescinded the Jewish civil courts already in place and made everybody equal. So while there's an outcry, it's not all bad.

And gays have a lot of victim cred as well, so I'm sure that Muslim doctor was in some hot water. The thing is, would you really push to be treated by a doctor that you know isn't comfortable with you, assuming you have a choice to find another doctor?

[desertdude]

Gunnair Gunnair:

desertdude desertdude:

Dammit guys I told to lemme know when Barts Loony wonderland is on. Dang it, I missed it again !

What's looney here?

You mean to say you haven't noticed.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

The thing is, would you really push to be treated by a doctor that you know isn't comfortable with you, assuming you have a choice to find another doctor?

Nope. I wouldn't. But gays and lesbians tend to have aggressive agendas and the lesbians probably sought out the Muslim doctor to make some sort of gay rights statement. At the same time the lesbians are totally wrong, the Muslim doctor is in Canada and needs to adhere to Canadian rules.

Invoking the Wisdom of Solomon, I'd strip the Muslim doctor of her Canadian medical license and then award her legal damages equal to her projected earnings through retirement to be paid by the lesbian couple. I'd then leave it to the lesbian couple to pay up or else cede the case to the doctor in which circumstance the medical license woul;d be reinstated.

[andyt]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

andyt andyt:

The thing is, would you really push to be treated by a doctor that you know isn't comfortable with you, assuming you have a choice to find another doctor?

Nope. I wouldn't. But gays and lesbians tend to have aggressive agendas and the lesbians probably sought out the Muslim doctor to make some sort of gay rights statement. At the same time the lesbians are totally wrong, the Muslim doctor is in Canada and needs to adhere to Canadian rules.

Invoking the Wisdom of Solomon, I'd strip the Muslim doctor of her Canadian medical license and then award her legal damages equal to her projected earnings through retirement to be paid by the lesbian couple. I'd then leave it to the lesbian couple to pay up or else cede the case to the doctor in which circumstance the medical license woul;d be reinstated.

I knew Solomon, and you aint no Solomon.

The doctor should lose her licence to practice - she has no business being a doc in Canada. Doesn't matter if the dykes had an agenda or not. The Lesbians should only get any human rights recompense if they can show actual monetary damages - enough with this awarding money for hurt feelings. Give them lollipops for that.

[Gunnair]

desertdude desertdude:

Gunnair Gunnair:

desertdude desertdude:

Dammit guys I told to lemme know when Barts Loony wonderland is on. Dang it, I missed it again !

What's looney here?

You mean to say you haven't noticed.

That's a bit vague. What in his position is looney?

[Gunnair]

andyt andyt:

The thing is, would you really push to be treated by a doctor that you know isn't comfortable with you, assuming you have a choice to find another doctor?

$1:

Nope. I wouldn't. But gays and lesbians tend to have aggressive agendas and the lesbians probably sought out the Muslim doctor to make some sort of gay rights statement.

Come on, Bart, unless you have evidence that's simply bias bigoted bullshit.

[desertdude]

Gunnair Gunnair:

That's a bit vague. What in his position is looney?

Oh no nothing usual for ol'Bart, didn't notice how this thread went on from about a riot in belgrade to barts usual anti muslim dribble and if you must insist here are just a couple among others.

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

It's their insistence on killing everyone who doesn't go for their religion 100% is what really sets me off on them.

$1:

Really, in another topic we have the pathetically weak UAE strong-arming Canada and, believe me, that is an expression of islam demanding aquiescense that we never would have seen just ten years ago.

[Gunnair]

Well, I don't often agree with Bart as he's a bit too far right for my central right ideologies, but I wouldn't go out and say he just simply exists in some looney world. At least, no more looney than yours or mine to his understanding.

[BartSimpson]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Come on, Bart, unless you have evidence that's simply bias bigoted bullshit.

As I've read up on the case it does appear that Mrs & Mrs Markowski are pursuing an agenda. Dr. Elias, a recent immigrant from Egypt told the couple that she had no experience with treating lesbians and that their relationship did, indeed, offend Dr. Elias' religious sensibilities. None of that is in dispute.

Nor is it in dispute, at this point, that the good doctor refused to treat the Murkowskis.

What's going on here at this point is a battle of wits over who has more of a right to be offended.

I'm siding with the doctor as 1) she was honest about her feelings and 2) she did not refuse to treat a patient.

I'm also going to throw down with Health Canada for hiring Muslims and then expecting them not to be Muslims when they come to work. How is that fair? Are lesbians not allowed to be lesbians when they go to work? Of course not.

[BartSimpson]

desertdude desertdude:

Oh no nothing usual for ol'Bart, didn't notice how this thread went on from about a riot in belgrade to barts usual anti muslim dribble and if you must insist here are just a couple among others.

If you were the soaring intellect you pretend to be you'd read more carefully and note that I was defending liberal Muslims...a group you supposedly belong to.

[Gunnair]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Come on, Bart, unless you have evidence that's simply bias bigoted bullshit.

As I've read up on the case it does appear that Mrs & Mrs Markowski are pursuing an agenda. Dr. Elias, a recent immigrant from Egypt told the couple that she had no experience with treating lesbians and that their relationship did, indeed, offend Dr. Elias' religious sensibilities. None of that is in dispute.

Nor is it in dispute, at this point, that the good doctor refused to treat the Murkowskis.

What's going on here at this point is a battle of wits over who has more of a right to be offended.

I'm siding with the doctor as 1) she was honest about her feelings and 2) she did not refuse to treat a patient.

I'm also going to throw down with Health Canada for hiring Muslims and then expecting them not to be Muslims when they come to work. How is that fair? Are lesbians not allowed to be lesbians when they go to work? Of course not.

The government has the right to ensure personnel it hires follows government rules and charter law.