[Robair]

martin14 martin14:

:lol:



And I'll agree with Hurley, people born abroad should do some time
in Canada before getting citizenship.


If for example, I wanted my Dutch citizenship or nationality back, they require
I take up Dutch residence for a minimum of 3 years before.

Not too much to ask.

I wouldn't do that across the board. Most people you WANT back in Canada, it doesn't make sense to discourage their return. A list of approved countries would work for me.

What you are proposing is more hard nosed than the USA. My daughter is an American born abroad and she had her US passport before we ever took her down south to visit that side of the family. I don't think she was eight months old yet.

[EyeBrock]

I don't think it's too much to ask that if you have children born overseas to Canadians (other than CF, diplomats etc) that you apply for citizenship for those foreign born children. It should be a rubber stamp job.

There should just be the two ways to get citizenship.

Born in Canada.

or

Apply to be a citizen after living in Canada for 3 years like all the other foreign born people.

[Robair]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I don't think it's too much to ask that if you have children born overseas to Canadians (other than CF, diplomats etc) that you apply for citizenship for those foreign born children.

All foriegn born children have to apply for citizenship, not sure what you mean here.

As for the rest of your post, until Canadians start having more babies, I don't think it's wise to discourage the return of Canucks working/living abroad. We'll just have to rely even more on immigration... ...the country would be overrun with Brits and such.

[andyt]

Robair Robair:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I don't think it's too much to ask that if you have children born overseas to Canadians (other than CF, diplomats etc) that you apply for citizenship for those foreign born children.

All foriegn born children have to apply for citizenship, not sure what you mean here.

As for the rest of your post, until Canadians start having more babies, I don't think it's wise to discourage the return of Canucks working/living abroad. We'll just have to rely even more on immigration... ...the country would be overrun with Brits and such.

I think it's very wise to put up at least some hurdles for somebody who's grandpa was a Canadian but who's never lived in Canada, maybe doesn't even speak the language(s). It will Lebanon all over again, where they cry the Canadian govt doesn't do enough for them if there's a problem, but otherwise they just return home to their real country. These people have no attachment to Canada what so ever, except as a safe haven if they've managed to fuck up whatever country they're living in now.

[EyeBrock]

Robair Robair:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I don't think it's too much to ask that if you have children born overseas to Canadians (other than CF, diplomats etc) that you apply for citizenship for those foreign born children.

All foriegn born children have to apply for citizenship, not sure what you mean here.

As for the rest of your post, until Canadians start having more babies, I don't think it's wise to discourage the return of Canucks working/living abroad. We'll just have to rely even more on immigration... ...the country would be overrun with Brits and such.

It's unlikely you'll be over-run by Brits. It's too hard to get here from the UK. Canada seems to prefer people who don't speak English these days.

Also, if you are in the US, how can you be over-run with Brit's in Canada?

I appreciate it will mean a few hoops to jump through for Canadians who have kids born in foreign lands, but a lot of other people are taking the piss out of our very lax immigration and citizenship laws.

It's time to tighten them up and this is a prudent measure.

[martin14]

Robair Robair:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I don't think it's too much to ask that if you have children born overseas to Canadians (other than CF, diplomats etc) that you apply for citizenship for those foreign born children.

All foriegn born children have to apply for citizenship, not sure what you mean here.

Yeah but right now it's a rubber stamp to get it, just file papers.

What EB wants is what I want... people to live in Canada.. at least for a while.

[EyeBrock]

martin14 martin14:

Robair Robair:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I don't think it's too much to ask that if you have children born overseas to Canadians (other than CF, diplomats etc) that you apply for citizenship for those foreign born children.

All foriegn born children have to apply for citizenship, not sure what you mean here.

Yeah but right now it's a rubber stamp to get it, just file papers.

What EB wants is what I want... people to live in Canada.. at least for a while.

I don't think it's too much to ask eh Martin? That you actually live in Canada for three years in your life as a Canadian citizen?

[andyt]

Once you have your citizenship, you don't ever have to live or contribute to Canada again if you don't want to. I can't see a way to change that. But to just allow generations of Canadians who have never set foot in Canada seems nuts to me.

[Robair]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

It's unlikely you'll be over-run by Brits. It's too hard to get here from the UK. Canada seems to prefer people who don't speak English these days.

And we'll be getting more of that if we have less ex-pats returning. So maybe we shouldn't discourage their return.

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Also, if you are in the US, how can you be over-run with Brit's in Canada?

I'm in Canada, try to keep up.

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I appreciate it will mean a few hoops to jump through for Canadians who have kids born in foreign lands, but a lot of other people are taking the piss out of our very lax immigration and citizenship laws.

It's time to tighten them up and this is a prudent measure.

Like I said, I appreciate and agree with what they are trying to accomplish, and this guy is a special case. What I don't agree with is some of the later, more hard nosed proposals you put forth in this thread.

[EyeBrock]

I was thinking about public flogging Rob......

I don't see anything 'hard nosed' about what I've suggested. I will try harder to keep up though. No need to be snotty old chap.

[martin14]

[Robair]

martin14 martin14:

What EB wants is what I want... people to live in Canada.. at least for a while.

With the exception of government employees, yea I caught that.

Let's look at my little family as an example. She has PR status in Canada and american citizenship. I'm a Canadian citizen. We met in the USA but are starting our little family in Canada. Assuming we stay here for the next eighteen years, our daughter will graduate highschool with two passports and we'll likely encourage secondary education in the states. Just for the experience if nothing else. My daughter's a genius, the pediatrition told us so. No, really. Recommended a pre-school for gifted kids and everything.

So because the US lets ex-pats apply and get citizenship for their kids, the United States may gain a genius in eighteen years. She could try school there, get a job there and end up staying.

But you guys are wanting to put in place rules that would prevent the opposite. What if we had stayed in the USA to start our family and Canada required your child live in Canada for three years before getting citizenship? Canada would lose it's chance to steal north America's next super genius.

I can understand applying what you guys are saying to certain countries, but not across the board.

[EyeBrock]

Robair Robair:

martin14 martin14:

What EB wants is what I want... people to live in Canada.. at least for a while.

With the exception of government employees, yea I caught that.

Let's look at my little family as an example. She has PR status in Canada and american citizenship. I'm a Canadian citizen. We met in the USA but are starting our little family in Canada. Assuming we stay here for the next eighteen years, our daughter will graduate highschool with two passports and we'll likely encourage secondary education in the states. Just for the experience if nothing else. My daughter's a genius, the pediatrition told us so. No, really. Recommended a pre-school for gifted kids and everything.

So because the US lets ex-pats apply and get citizenship for their kids, the United States may gain a genius in eighteen years. She could try school there, get a job there and end up staying.

But you guys are wanting to put in place rules that would prevent the opposite. What if we had stayed in the USA to start our family and Canada required your child live in Canada for three years before getting citizenship? Canada would lose it's chance to steal north America's next super genius.

I can understand applying what you guys are saying to certain countries, but not across the board.

How could we apply it to certain countries only Rob? I’m not getting your point on this.

Are you suggesting that some countries that kids are born in should be higher up the ladder than others?

I get your point on missing out on the odd genius but you are already deciding to send your daughter to the US for school, is it not likely that your daughter will cultivate networks and friends that will mean she will stay in the US anyway? She has US citizenship too does she not?

Applying for citizenship if you are a child of Canadian citizen(s) should be a given but that child should at least be in Canada for the required three years. We should all get equal treatment in the eyes of the law.

New immigrants have to apply just to get PR. I waited over two years and I believe Brenda waited longer. That meant it was close to six years after I applied to come here until I became a citizen. In your case your child would get citizenship after three years of residence without all the nausea I had to go through.

I think that’s pretty fair and so do a lot of other people.

[hurley_108]

martin14 martin14:

:lol:



And I'll agree with Hurley, people born abroad should do some time
in Canada before getting citizenship.


If for example, I wanted my Dutch citizenship or nationality back, they require
I take up Dutch residence for a minimum of 3 years before.

Not too much to ask.

I never said that. I said this guy spent 30 years in Canada, demonstrating a commitment to Canada, even though several posters in this thread are claiming he has made none.

[hurley_108]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I don't think it's too much to ask that if you have children born overseas to Canadians (other than CF, diplomats etc) that you apply for citizenship for those foreign born children. It should be a rubber stamp job.

There should just be the two ways to get citizenship.

Born in Canada.

or

Apply to be a citizen after living in Canada for 3 years like all the other foreign born people.

No. No double-standards based on parents' occupation. That just proves that there's a problem with the policy and trying to skirt the most glaring of faults.