[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

Brenda Brenda:

And that's my point exactly...
Sure, he's a dick. And she's a bimbo. And that should be it.

Well you're a girl and you were twelve once. To me, her having sex seems a lot more serious than drinking, tho as I said, you're right attention needs to be paid there too. Maybe this is a male female thing, and you don't see it as such a big deal.

When I was 12, I certainly couldn't go for 15, and I was not thinking about having sex all the way, let alone in public, OR drinking, for that matter.

My daughter is 12, and I am paying VERY good attention to what she does. She doesn't look 15 either, nor will I allow it.

Drinking loosens (sp?) you up, and makes you do things you otherwise wouldn't. Drinking at 12 is a HUGE thing to me, absolutely.

[Brenda]

stratos stratos:

8O You just called a 12yr old girl, a victim of rape, a bimbo

A willing victim of statutory rape. Difference.

[andyt]

I'm sure you're doing right by your daughter Brenda, and she's lucky to have an involved mom, that doubtless knows how to lay down the law. This girl obviously doesn't have that - you might want to take a look at calling her a bimbo. That's a bit scary.

[RUEZ]

Brenda Brenda:

stratos stratos:

8O You just called a 12yr old girl, a victim of rape, a bimbo

A willing victim of statutory rape. Difference.

She's 12 Brenda, which is why the law protects them.

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

I'm sure you're doing right by your daughter Brenda, and she's lucky to have an involved mom, that doubtless knows how to lay down the law. This girl obviously doesn't have that - you might want to take a look at calling her a bimbo. That's a bit scary.

Police said she was willing. Law says she can't. IMO, there is a difference between the 2...
Maybe "bimbo" is the wrong word, but you get what I am saying. Its only statutory because the boy was 16. If he was 13, there would have been no legal problem...

[Brenda]

RUEZ RUEZ:

Brenda Brenda:

stratos stratos:

8O You just called a 12yr old girl, a victim of rape, a bimbo

A willing victim of statutory rape. Difference.

She's 12 Brenda, which is why the law protects them.

I know, but what if the boy wasn't 16 but 13?
I wonder if this boy thought she was 15?

[andyt]

Brenda Brenda:

Police said she was willing. Law says she can't. IMO, there is a difference between the 2...
Maybe "bimbo" is the wrong word, but you get what I am saying. Its only statutory because the boy was 16. If he was 13, there would have been no legal problem...

That's right, and makes sense. The law is a blunt instrument has has to draw arbitrary lines. With kids, who knows what their respective true emotional ages are - but our legal system and psychological knowledge just isn't sophisticated enough to take that into account.

She's likely a disturbed, hurt young girl to do what she did. Maybe she's getting diddled at home too - happens a lot. Bimbo is definitely the wrong word here.

[Dragom]

stratos stratos:

8O You just called a 12yr old girl, a victim of rape, a bimbo

She wasn't a victim of rape, but a victim of sexual interference a pedophile class offense.

Rape specifically mandates the absence of consent.

Sexual interference mandates youth which then prevents a person from legally giving consent.

We are not the courts. We can appreciate things like consent from a person who's opinion can't be legally considered.

And this is Canada, there is no such thing as "statutory rape" or varying ages of consent as you cross state lines or conceal and carry permits for civilians.

The only real question is if you want to group a 16 year old boy who slept with a 12 year old girl along side 30 year old guys in vans that hang out near playgrounds.

I don't think he managed sufficient sexual predation to qualify.

PS: My sister was like that when she was 12, probably worse. Attempts at legal protection amounts to pushing a girl like that into dangerous hands.

[andyt]

Dragom Dragom:

I don't think he managed sufficient sexual predation to qualify.

So just no harm, no foul? There's a range of options open to the court, assuming he's convicted. He can be sentenced as a minor, which means his record will be sealed at 21. He can be given a very light sentence like house arrest and maybe counselling. He's not a sexual predator, but he may not exactly be innocent either.

[ShepherdsDog]

$1:

Rape specifically mandates the absence of consent.

And you seem to be missing the fact that she was under the age of legal consent. She couldn't consent according to the Criminal Code of Canada. The law was set up to protect minors from being exploited, even if they want to be. Similar laws also protect the mentally incompetent and intoxicated persons from being exploited by unscrupulous individuals. The police have to lay the charge of statutory rape.